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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
    Fuengi said:
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    Incredible game, watched it all live on TV and the tension was unbearable at times. 

    Having seen the overthrows clip again I think the umpires made a mistake in awarding six runs to England, and cost New Zealand the game.  

    Law 19, 5 states that the run in progress should be allowed provided the batsman have crossed before the ball is released by the fieldsman. They definitely had not crossed before the ball was released, so only the first run should have been awarded, plus the four overthrows.
    Taxi for @Fuengi ;

    get him out of here...

    Obviously delighted England won, but the umpires had a big call there and 3rd umpire to call on but still got it wrong.  
    Yer cab's outside Son............... ;)

    I'll get my coat. 
    Well, just had a read of the Laws on the MCC website for the first time in my life and @Fuengi is correct. The Law states:

    19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

    If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be

              any runs for penalties awarded to either side

    and     the allowance for the boundary

    and     the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had

              already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

    Law 18.12.2 (Batsman returning to wicket he/she has left) shall apply as from the instant of the throw or act.


    In the footage online it's clear that Stokes & Rashid had not crossed at the point that the NZ fielder threw the ball so it should have been 5 runs not 6.


    I've had a copy of MCC Masterclass for 30 years and would read the laws after matches if something occurred I wasn't sure about. I got to know them pretty well. 

    The law in my version is 19.5 so they have been updated in that time but it still applies the same. 

    I think the umpires discussed it at the time but for whatever reason did not check if they had crossed. 


    There is some debate here at work on whether this applies due to the deflection from Stokes' bat, did the ball cross the boundary due to the bowlers wilful act or due to the deflection?


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  • FuengiFuengi Frets: 1167
    Fuengi said:
    Fuengi said:
    Fuengi said:
    Fuengi said:
    Incredible game, watched it all live on TV and the tension was unbearable at times. 

    Having seen the overthrows clip again I think the umpires made a mistake in awarding six runs to England, and cost New Zealand the game.  

    Law 19, 5 states that the run in progress should be allowed provided the batsman have crossed before the ball is released by the fieldsman. They definitely had not crossed before the ball was released, so only the first run should have been awarded, plus the four overthrows.
    Taxi for @Fuengi ;

    get him out of here...

    Obviously delighted England won, but the umpires had a big call there and 3rd umpire to call on but still got it wrong.  
    Yer cab's outside Son............... ;)

    I'll get my coat. 
    Well, just had a read of the Laws on the MCC website for the first time in my life and @Fuengi is correct. The Law states:

    19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder

    If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be

              any runs for penalties awarded to either side

    and     the allowance for the boundary

    and     the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had

              already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

    Law 18.12.2 (Batsman returning to wicket he/she has left) shall apply as from the instant of the throw or act.


    In the footage online it's clear that Stokes & Rashid had not crossed at the point that the NZ fielder threw the ball so it should have been 5 runs not 6.


    I've had a copy of MCC Masterclass for 30 years and would read the laws after matches if something occurred I wasn't sure about. I got to know them pretty well. 

    The law in my version is 19.5 so they have been updated in that time but it still applies the same. 

    I think the umpires discussed it at the time but for whatever reason did not check if they had crossed. 


    There is some debate here at work on whether this applies due to the deflection from Stokes' bat, did the ball cross the boundary due to the bowlers wilful act or due to the deflection?


    I think the overthrows should have been awarded, just five, not six runs. New Zealand could have held on to the ball and not thrown it, and settled for two runs.

    They should also had known the rule and questioned the awarding of six runs, so I think it is on them really.
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970

    I think the overthrows should have been awarded, just five, not six runs. New Zealand could have held on to the ball and not thrown it, and settled for two runs.

    They should also had known the rule and questioned the awarding of six runs, so I think it is on them really.

    There was a delay while the umpires conferred but I reckon they were focussing on the Stokes deflection and the award of the 4 boundary runs rather than the 2 "running" runs.

    A final that will go down in history as legendary and will be watched, discussed and debated for years to come. Incredible.

    17 days to The Ashes 


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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5285

    17 days to The Ashes 

    This.

    Fun as yesterday was, it wasn't the same tension as when Giles and Hoggard were batting in that chase against the Aussies in 2005, or the one where the Aussies fell 2 runs short.

    It was a good game, but all this "greatest cricket match ever" stuff is a bit over the top.  It was a one day match in coloured clothes. 

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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 8399
    crunchman said:

    17 days to The Ashes 

    This.

    Fun as yesterday was, it wasn't the same tension as when Giles and Hoggard were batting in that chase against the Aussies in 2005, or the one where the Aussies fell 2 runs short.

    It was a good game, but all this "greatest cricket match ever" stuff is a bit over the top.  It was a one day match in coloured clothes. 

    yeah, for me still that was the greatest game of cricket. 

    I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.

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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5285
    VimFuego said:
    crunchman said:

    17 days to The Ashes 

    This.

    Fun as yesterday was, it wasn't the same tension as when Giles and Hoggard were batting in that chase against the Aussies in 2005, or the one where the Aussies fell 2 runs short.

    It was a good game, but all this "greatest cricket match ever" stuff is a bit over the top.  It was a one day match in coloured clothes. 

    yeah, for me still that was the greatest game of cricket. 


    I might go for Headingley '81.

    There were some other classics in history as well.  There was a famous one at the Oval in 1902, where the Aussies set England 263 to win.  Gilbert Jessop came in with the score at 48 for 5, and hit 104 in 77 minutes.  The 9th wicket went down at 248, and the last pair added 15 more to win the match.

    No one day game is ever going to match up to classics like that.

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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 8399
    yeah, Headingly '81 was a corker, bit before my time really, I was 11 and not really into cricket then but I do recall the fuss about it. I think what I liked about both those matches is they were ones we weren't supposed to win, yesterday we were going to win at a canter, but somehow NZ didn't read the script.

    1902 was waaaay before my time, so can't comment, but you're older than you look.

    I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.

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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5285
    VimFuego said:
    yeah, Headingly '81 was a corker, bit before my time really, I was 11 and not really into cricket then but I do recall the fuss about it. I think what I liked about both those matches is they were ones we weren't supposed to win, yesterday we were going to win at a canter, but somehow NZ didn't read the script.

    1902 was waaaay before my time, so can't comment, but you're older than you look.

    In any sport, people forget the great players and performances of the past.

    You see it in cricket.  A few years ago, various young idiots were arguing that Tendulkar was the greatest ever.  Being old enough to remember Richards, he's not as good as Richards, let alone Bradman.

    I follow the NFL, and I see it there too.  There are a lot young journalists in their 20s and early 30s on various NFL websites, and they haven't got a clue about players from before 2000.  For them, all the greatest players to have ever played are from the last 15 years.  They don't seem to know that players that I can remember, like Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, ever existed.  Then there are great players of the past that I can't remember - like Jim Brown and Mean Joe Greene.

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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 5940
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    It is often the drama and tension that gets you hooked 

    I recall a SA v Australia Test Match - just checked the dates and info - March 2015 - 3rd Test - series score is one all

    This match and SA can't win - Their 4th innings target is 511 - So at best a draw -  They are 246-8 - Time is now their only hope - Dale Steyn comes into bat  at #10 with Philander already at the crease - DS bats for 44 balls and 75 mins to hang on - They refuse nearly every single offered - There is now only around 2 or 3 overs to go and DS is out - Morkel lasts 2 balls for an Aus win  - But the tension for SA to hang on was excellent - So some it is like a game of chess whereby nothing happens - But I recall this last effort as gripping 

    But yesterday was excellent - Some irony in that our 66 Football, 03 Rugby and 2019 CWC all required 'extra time'  - all adds to the drama
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970

    Don't forget the England v Ireland one off Test at Lords 24th July.

    Warm up for The Ashes, should get a look at the team selection. First international Test for Ireland isn't it?


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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 5802
    Now that the dust is beginning to settle, let the ramping up for the Ashes commence.

    If you want sustained drama then I would pick Mike Atherton and Jack Russell against South Africa in 1995. That was unbelievable.
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  • SouthpawMarkSouthpawMark Frets: 616
    Playing cricket on Saturday for the first time in ages, then watching yesterday has inspired me to get back in to playing. This morning I fired off an email to the team in my village. I’m sure they’ll be greatly interested in someone who hasn’t played for 12 years, and currently cannot move... 
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5285
    Playing cricket on Saturday for the first time in ages, then watching yesterday has inspired me to get back in to playing. This morning I fired off an email to the team in my village. I’m sure they’ll be greatly interested in someone who hasn’t played for 12 years, and currently cannot move... 

    When I was down in Devon, it was often a challenge for teams to get 11 bodies on the pitch.  I remember one game we roped my Dad in even though he was close to 50, and had probably never played an organised game of cricket since leaving school.  If you know which end of a bat is which, they will probably be desperate - especially once the school holidays start and they will be short of players.
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  • earwighoneyearwighoney Frets: 2023
    crunchman said: 

    In any sport, people forget the great players and performances of the past.

    You see it in cricket.  A few years ago, various young idiots were arguing that Tendulkar was the greatest ever.  Being old enough to remember Richards, he's not as good as Richards, let alone Bradman.

    I follow the NFL, and I see it there too.  There are a lot young journalists in their 20s and early 30s on various NFL websites, and they haven't got a clue about players from before 2000.  For them, all the greatest players to have ever played are from the last 15 years.  They don't seem to know that players that I can remember, like Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, ever existed.  Then there are great players of the past that I can't remember - like Jim Brown and Mean Joe Greene.

    I agree about people over looking sportsmen of the past. 

    I'm not one to ever say a sportsman of one era is the greatest, across eras conditions and the sport itself changes IMO it's never really possible to make an accurate comparison. 

    I'd rather just see great sportsmen being celebrated opposed for often needless and pointless comparisons, eg 'How would WG Grace fare at playing T20 cricket?'

    Back to cricket, I even think it's near enough impossible to compare white ball stats from now to a few years ago, all the new rule changes (2 new white balls, powerplay restrictions) in addition to changes in field drainage have made the game a little different to what it was a few years ago. 
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
     

    I agree about people over looking sportsmen of the past. 

    This is so true, I came 5th in my daughter's junior school Dad's race back in 1997. No-one remembers that.


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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
    Can someone help me list out the songs played during the CWC2019? Not the ones the guitarists played along to but the other recorded songs. 

    Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline
    Queen - We Will Rock You

    What's the one that goes "De dah de dah dah, De Dah De Dah Dah..." etc?



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  • steveledzepsteveledzep Frets: 466
    I recall hearing Seven Nation Army - White Stripes, not sure if it was during the final though.
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  • jhumberjhumber Frets: 56
    Can someone help me list out the songs played during the CWC2019? Not the ones the guitarists played along to but the other recorded songs. 

    Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline
    Queen - We Will Rock You

    What's the one that goes "De dah de dah dah, De Dah De Dah Dah..." etc?


    The main song that got played in the stadiums was "Stand By" by Loryn (which I think was the 'official song', it certainly got played plenty). Other songs that got played over the PA a fair amount were Courage by Pink, and Ruby by Kaiser Chiefs.
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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
    jhumber said:
    Can someone help me list out the songs played during the CWC2019? Not the ones the guitarists played along to but the other recorded songs. 

    Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline
    Queen - We Will Rock You

    What's the one that goes "De dah de dah dah, De Dah De Dah Dah..." etc?


    The main song that got played in the stadiums was "Stand By" by Loryn (which I think was the 'official song', it certainly got played plenty). Other songs that got played over the PA a fair amount were Courage by Pink, and Ruby by Kaiser Chiefs.
    It's the one that gets all te crowd chanting, sounds all jolly and happy like a Madness or Bad Manners instrumental, “De da de da da etc, just a tune not singing. I think it's saxophones. What is it? It's driving me nuts, they played it in the final.


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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
    edited July 17
    Found it: Tom Hark

    It's either The Piranhas version or the Football one done for 2010:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK9Mg6gXGdk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnJdGuQbJUo



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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
    ...and I already have The Piranhas version in iTunes on a Ska Mania compilation. Clearly not played very often!


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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970

    The T20s start up tomorrow, I've never really watched much of it before except the finals day, I think I might take in a few games.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/48976116


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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5285

    More importantly, interesting squad for the Ireland Test:

    Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain

    Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)

    Jimmy Anderson (Lancashire)

    Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)

    Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)

    Rory Burns (Surrey)

    Sam Curran (Surrey)

    Joe Denly (Kent)

    Lewis Gregory (Somerset)

    Jack Leach (Somerset)

    Jason Roy (Surrey)

    Olly Stone (Warwickshire)

    Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)


    Anderson in the squad, but I'm not sure if he will be fit enough to play.  Stokes, Archer and Buttler rested.

    Looks like Roy will be opening the batting.  Not sure that will work.

    Be interesting to see which spinner is selected.  With Curran, Woakes, and Gregory there, there is enough batting depth to play Leach, who is the better bowler.

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  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Frets: 7970
    I'm not familiar with some the guys, are they being given a spin as a potential trial for The Ashes?


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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 5285

    Most of them are in contention, but Stone and Gregory are likely to be replaced by Archer and Stokes for the Ashes.  With Mark Wood now injured, and out for 4 to 6 weeks, it could mean Stone comes into the reckoning, but he will be behind Archer in the pecking order.  He does give that option of genuine pace though.

    The fact that Leach is in the Squad means that they are at least considering him.  Given Moeen's recent batting woes, and his fragility against the short ball, his batting isn't as big an advantage over Leach as it used to be.  For me, you just have to pick the best bowler - Leach.

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  • Creed_ClicksCreed_Clicks Frets: 183
    jhumber said:
    Can someone help me list out the songs played during the CWC2019? Not the ones the guitarists played along to but the other recorded songs. 

    Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline
    Queen - We Will Rock You

    What's the one that goes "De dah de dah dah, De Dah De Dah Dah..." etc?


    The main song that got played in the stadiums was "Stand By" by Loryn (which I think was the 'official song', it certainly got played plenty). Other songs that got played over the PA a fair amount were Courage by Pink, and Ruby by Kaiser Chiefs.
    I hate all this marketing "let's create an experience" shite in sports. Music constantly pumped out when there is a lull or break in play. Not just cricket but rugby. I'm not a fan of cricket so luckily didn't have to put up with it on tv. It's only a matter of time before it comes into tennis in between games or before serves.....
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    jhumber said:
    Can someone help me list out the songs played during the CWC2019? Not the ones the guitarists played along to but the other recorded songs. 

    Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline
    Queen - We Will Rock You

    What's the one that goes "De dah de dah dah, De Dah De Dah Dah..." etc?


    The main song that got played in the stadiums was "Stand By" by Loryn (which I think was the 'official song', it certainly got played plenty). Other songs that got played over the PA a fair amount were Courage by Pink, and Ruby by Kaiser Chiefs.
    I hate all this marketing "let's create an experience" shite in sports. Music constantly pumped out when there is a lull or break in play. Not just cricket but rugby. I'm not a fan of cricket so luckily didn't have to put up with it on tv. It's only a matter of time before it comes into tennis in between games or before serves.....
    In the case of tennis it would improve it.  Do it during the points as well to drown out Nadal's grunting.
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 22791

    Was in Lords Pav as Eoin Morgan was carrying the Cup last night. As he walked past I asked if I hold it.

    "Sure," was Morgs' reply- it's as much yours as it is mine" was the incredibly classy response.

    Wow. No wonder players regard him as a true leader.


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  • sixstringsuppliessixstringsupplies Frets: 158
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    Gassage said:

    Was in Lords Pav as Eoin Morgan was carrying the Cup last night. As he walked past I asked if I hold it.

    "Sure," was Morgs' reply- it's as much yours as it is mine" was the incredibly classy response.

    Wow. No wonder players regard him as a true leader.


    that is very classy indeed
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 22791
    Gassage said:

    Was in Lords Pav as Eoin Morgan was carrying the Cup last night. As he walked past I asked if I hold it.

    "Sure," was Morgs' reply- it's as much yours as it is mine" was the incredibly classy response.

    Wow. No wonder players regard him as a true leader.


    that is very classy indeed

    AB dV last night- 30k crowd and he put on a masterclass. 88 off 40- hit one 115m onto Grandstand roof off Dan Lawrence. Biggest one I've ever seen at Lord's with the poss exception of Gooch's 6 off Hirwani in 1990. That landed in the Nursery Ground.

    Donald Trump has spoken movingly about 7-Eleven. It reminded him, he said, of the way Americans came together in 1941 after Pearl Necklace.

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