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scrumhalf

Good performace, we need to do the same on ?Wednesday? against NZ.

Adil bowling a bit like Adele at the moment.

RandallFlagg

scrumhalf said:

Good performace, we need to do the same on ?Wednesday? against NZ.

Adil bowling a bit like Adele at the moment.

I bet Adele would sing the national anthem

sixstringsupplies

RandallFlagg said:

Well England won, now to beat NZ.

Easy....ha we will see. I’m confident. One always is after several beers by the swimming pool. I think PAK will beat Bangladesh which means England have to win, or an extremely unlikely tie. 

crunchman

sixstringsupplies said:

RandallFlagg said:

Well England won, now to beat NZ.

Easy....ha we will see. I’m confident. One always is after several beers by the swimming pool. I think PAK will beat Bangladesh which means England have to win, or an extremely unlikely tie. 

You never know with Pakistan.

I'm nervous about NZ.  It's up in Durham.  If there is any grass on the pitch, and NZ win the toss and put us in, I could easily see Boult reducing us to 40 for 5.

sixstringsupplies

crunchman said:

sixstringsupplies said:

RandallFlagg said:

Well England won, now to beat NZ.

Easy....ha we will see. I’m confident. One always is after several beers by the swimming pool. I think PAK will beat Bangladesh which means England have to win, or an extremely unlikely tie. 

You never know with Pakistan.

I'm nervous about NZ.  It's up in Durham.  If there is any grass on the pitch, and NZ win the toss and put us in, I could easily see Boult reducing us to 40 for 5.

It goes both ways though. Woakes could reduce NZ to 40-5. Twill be a close game regardless. And if England win and qualify, having beaten two of the most likely semi finalists and losing to Australia, it’s any ones tournament. 

SouthpawMark

Kohli whining about the short boundary... were India not allowed to target it too? Pretty pathetic excuse. If he’s looking for a reason for the loss, he could start by asking why Dhoni played for his average, rather than hit out in an attempt to win. 

guitars4you

SouthpawMark said:

Kohli whining about the short boundary... were India not allowed to target it too? Pretty pathetic excuse. If he’s looking for a reason for the loss, he could start by asking why Dhoni played for his average, rather than hit out in an attempt to win. 

fantastic batsman - No 2 ways about it - But IMO he is far to arrogant - Above comments just don't do him any favours - Surprised he did not moan about Roy okay to bat but don't believe he fielded at all (didn't Vince field throughout ?)

I thought that after such a great start, from around overs 25-35 we missed out - Credit to India to pull it back - With 200 on the board and 30 overs bowled, we had a chance to hit 370 +, so always  a bit worried we might have not achieved enough - I'm a big Root fan, but with such a good score already posted, not sure we needed Root to 'glue the innings together' at that stage - Would we have been better bringing in a more aggressive hitter like Butler, to keep the momentum going ? - We could always have gone back to Root if we had have lost 2 quick wickets - Hindsight eh ? - But great result in the end 

Bairstow's fielding was immense - But a good effort by all

Stuckfast

guitars4you said:

 Surprised he did not moan about Roy okay to bat but don't believe he fielded at all (didn't Vince field throughout ?)

Possibly because Jadeja fielded throughout our innings despite not being in India's starting XI?

shrinkwrap

So who are going to be the quicks, come the ashes?

SouthpawMark

shrinkwrap said:

So who are going to be the quicks, come the ashes?

Probably 3 from Archer, Broad, Anderson, Wood & Woakes, with Stokes being the 4th seamer.

England really need a left armer, as their pace attack is all a bit samey. 

Stuckfast

Anderson and Woakes for sure. Archer seems to be nursing a side injury and Wood is injury prone too so I doubt either will play all the Tests. Broad hasn't been tearing up any trees for Notts this season (whereas Anderson's average is ridiculous, albeit in div 2).

guitars4you

SouthpawMark said:

Kohli whining about the short boundary... were India not allowed to target it too? Pretty pathetic excuse. If he’s looking for a reason for the loss, he could start by asking why Dhoni played for his average, rather than hit out in an attempt to win. 

India just scored a 6 early on at Edgbaston - on the short boundary - Is Kohli smiling now or still moaning ??

crunchman

Stuckfast said:

Anderson and Woakes for sure. Archer seems to be nursing a side injury and Wood is injury prone too so I doubt either will play all the Tests. Broad hasn't been tearing up any trees for Notts this season (whereas Anderson's average is ridiculous, albeit in div 2).

As far as I know, Woakes's knees are a bit iffy, and they are having to manage his workload.  He's ok for ten overs in a ODI every few days, but I'm not sure if he would be capable of bowling 20 overs in a day, and coming back and bowling another 15 the next day.

Anderson is a certainty, as is Stokes.  You need two more quick bowlers, unless it's a raging Bunsen where you play two spinners.  I think Archer will be one of those two.

That probably leaves the last place between Broad, Woakes, and Wood.  Playing Archer and Wood together would be a gamble.  They won't want to overload Archer by making him bowl too many overs, they don't want Stokes bowling 20 overs a day, and Wood hasn't been durable.  Given Woakes's knee issues, I suspect they will go with Broad.

Personally, I wouldn't pick Broad.  I think he's past his best.  If he plays, he'll probably end up like Gillespie in 2005.  Personally I'd pick Wood and go with Leach as the spinner.  I think he could have the capability to tie up an end and keep it tight, and reduce the workload on the quicks.  Moeen and Rashid can't do that.  They are attacking options but they can't bowl dry in unfavourable conditions.

Meanwhile, India are off to a flyer against Bangladesh.  Looks like Pakistan might be the only side we need to worry about now, as Sri Lanka's net run rate is much worse than ours.

crunchman

I shouldn't have said Anderson is a certainty!  He's just hobbled off mid-over in a Lancashire match.  Potential calamity.

RandallFlagg

Back to the CWC:

From BBC cricket commentary:

"England need India to win today. If Bangladesh win today, they join Pakistan on 9 points. Combine that with an England defeat tomorrow, and fourth place would go to the winner of the Pakistan/Bangladesh tie. Just in case any of us were feeling re-assured after Sunday...."

It looks like Bangladesh haven't turned up against India so far as India romp to 135-0 after 20 over, so Bangladesh may well fall out.

guitars4you

Has someone changed the wicket - First 15/20 overs and great - last 10/15 overs poor - Might struggle to get 300 now , when 350-380 looked like par

scrumhalf

We're making very hard work of this. 

cj73

guitars4you said:

Has someone changed the wicket - First 15/20 overs and great - last 10/15 overs poor - Might struggle to get 300 now , when 350-380 looked like par

It's not like the Kiwi's get a new wicket at the start of their innings......

earwighoney

What's happened to Jos Buttler?  He's had a relatively poor WC. 

For a guy who's held by some of the Sky pundits as the best player in the world he's not really looked up to it.  

menamestom

Reasonable end to the innings, should have scored more but gives us a decent chance.