Line 6 Helix

johnonguitar

Teetonetal;1138945" said:

johnonguitar said:

So I was reading today that actually the fuzz pedals need the correct type of impedance to make them work correctly? As in you need them at the start of your chain as in real life, with the correct input impedance set. Or if set to auto it will change when you bring block one in or out.



That's nuts!!! Surely one of the points of having digital stuff is to get away from the crap bits of having iffy fuzz pedals dictating pedal line up?!





Realism gone mad. I agree, it's nuts. There is no need for this (if true) I think it's actually something that's really holding modelling back, the big boys are trying to recreate real gear to the minutest detail, really they should use their ears more and create better "inspired by" products. But the marketing of modelling seems to be disappearing down a realism rabbit hole. 

I want stuff that sounds good, is usable with dynamic response to players style and guitars, but also takes the annoyance away.

Digital igloo from another forum:

Your guitar will probably sound the most open and bright at 1M Ohm. However, some vintage pedals' inputs with lower impedances will load your pickups differently. For example, a fuzz face pedal's input impedance is somewhere between 5k and 8k Ohm; if Helix's impedance is left at 1M Ohm, people will say "Oh man, that sounds nothing like my real fuzz face!" For the same reason, real fuzz faces should be the first pedal in your chain.

When Helix's impedance is set to "Auto," it looks at the first block on Path 1A and sets its impedance circuit to match that of the real pedal or amp modeled.

Sporky

It'd be nice, then, to have both the ability to set the Helix's input impedance (as you can) but also to simulate a different input impedance to a fuzz block. That would seem to me to represent the best of both worlds.

Also to be able to do that fuzz/wah interaction thing that makes a siren. That'd be cool.

FarleyUK

johnonguitar said:

Teetonetal;1138945" said:

johnonguitar said:

So I was reading today that actually the fuzz pedals need the correct type of impedance to make them work correctly? As in you need them at the start of your chain as in real life, with the correct input impedance set. Or if set to auto it will change when you bring block one in or out.



That's nuts!!! Surely one of the points of having digital stuff is to get away from the crap bits of having iffy fuzz pedals dictating pedal line up?!





Realism gone mad. I agree, it's nuts. There is no need for this (if true) I think it's actually something that's really holding modelling back, the big boys are trying to recreate real gear to the minutest detail, really they should use their ears more and create better "inspired by" products. But the marketing of modelling seems to be disappearing down a realism rabbit hole. 

I want stuff that sounds good, is usable with dynamic response to players style and guitars, but also takes the annoyance away.

Digital igloo from another forum:

Your guitar will probably sound the most open and bright at 1M Ohm. However, some vintage pedals' inputs with lower impedances will load your pickups differently. For example, a fuzz face pedal's input impedance is somewhere between 5k and 8k Ohm; if Helix's impedance is left at 1M Ohm, people will say "Oh man, that sounds nothing like my real fuzz face!" For the same reason, real fuzz faces should be the first pedal in your chain.

When Helix's impedance is set to "Auto," it looks at the first block on Path 1A and sets its impedance circuit to match that of the real pedal or amp modeled.

Yeah, I read that earlier - will be testing it out at band practice tonight.....

sweepy

I used to set mine at 220k as the 1meg made everything sound fizzy and tizzy

johnonguitar

Who was the other Line 6 dude that was on another forum saying that he was getting the best results putting a gain block at the start of the chain with a -12db drop or something? Wtf was that all about?

FarleyUK

No idea, but it goes to show that beauty is in the ear of the beholder....!

On the EQ subject - can anyone please confirm what the global default EQ values are please...?

Cabicular

aren't they all at unity?

FarleyUK

Cabicular said:

aren't they all at unity?

You mean the EQ...? If so, how and what values...?

Only asking as I, er, went a bit mental and adjusted some of the values to extremes and cannot remember the default settings!

Cabicular

I see, If you set all the gain to unity that will effectively zero it but if you have messed around with the parametric then I can't help

Take care with Global EQ. I only use it on a room by room basis . If I can get away it disabled then so much the better.

It's very hard to predict what it will do across all your patches

If you can't get anyone with a pristine Global then back up your presets and do a factory reset

take a screenshot of the editor for future ref

FarleyUK

Cabicular said:

I see, If you set all the gain to unity that will effectively zero it but if you have messed around with the parametric then I can't help

Take care with Global EQ. I only use it on a room by room basis . If I can get away it disabled then so much the better.

It's very hard to predict what it will do across all your patches

If you can't get anyone with a pristine Global then back up your presets and do a factory reset

take a screenshot of the editor for future ref

Yeah, I'm not too fussed about using the global EQ TBH, just be nice to have it back to default. Factory reset will be my next step!

FarleyUK

For everyone using it in 4CM.... where do you have the volume knob? I've read that 'unity gain' is to have it maxed out, but others say it doesn't matter....

Personally, I have it at 100% and the return blocks set to -5.0db to avoid the clipping I think I can hear.

EDIT - Woo, 100 pages!

Cabicular

I don't think 100 % is unity but I'm sorry I don't use 4cm
In my set up unity is about 2 o'clock

Cabicular

It may be different in 4 cm

Sporky

FarleyUK said:

Only asking as I, er, went a bit mental and adjusted some of the values to extremes and cannot remember the default settings!

I haven't used global EQ, so I'll check this evening and let you know what the settings are on mine. They should be the defaults.

FarleyUK

Sporky said:

FarleyUK said:

Only asking as I, er, went a bit mental and adjusted some of the values to extremes and cannot remember the default settings!

I haven't used global EQ, so I'll check this evening and let you know what the settings are on mine. They should be the defaults.

Awesome, cheers mate!

johnonguitar

By ear unity seems to be around 1.30 for me on the master volume knob

I haven't fucked with any of the loops and don't get any unwanted clipping

FarleyUK

johnonguitar said:

By ear unity seems to be around 1.30 for me on the master volume knob

I haven't fucked with any of the loops and don't get any unwanted clipping

Is that using 4CM?

Fiftyshadesofjay

I use 4cm and I disable the volume knob completely. when plugged in everything seems to work at unity as standard.

johnonguitar

FarleyUK said:

johnonguitar said:

By ear unity seems to be around 1.30 for me on the master volume knob

I haven't fucked with any of the loops and don't get any unwanted clipping

Is that using 4CM?

yeah

johnonguitar

Fiftyshadesofjay said:

I use 4cm and I disable the volume knob completely. when plugged in everything seems to work at unity as standard.

didnt know you could do that! However i find it handy having a little volume bump handy without touching my amp... pesky drummers