Splitting fx into two amps

hotpickups

Wonder if any of you guys could help me here. I’m not sure it’s possible without more expense but here goes.

I have two amps and I am splitting my signal using an Axess Splitter/Buffer I recently bought off the very helpful @PFAllen2. All the fx go into both amps of course (see image below). However, I would like all or at least the delay (Timeline) and modulation (Mobius) to go into one amp and the other amp dry. I use a DMC-8D and a DPC-8EZ for my switching system so how can the fx be split? 

The added complication is sometimes I may go out with one amp but I would then want all the fx to go through the single amp but don’t want to have to rearrange patch cables to do that etc. Without going the down GigRig G2 route before anyone suggests it, which is out of the question, Is this at all possible? Maybe another splitter like a Humdinger placed somewhere might do it but I am guessing

By the way if anyone is puzzled the centre pedal on my board is a Wireless unit which goes into the Mobius and from there goes into the DPC-8EZ to make use of the it’s pre/post feature.

Am I maybe asking for too much? I’ll be amazed if anyone can come up with a solution.

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Sporky

Didn't we go through this already, only it was a bit more compex then?

I think you can just put a suitable splitter before the  Timeline and Mobius. Then you use the "spare" output there to go to your dry amp, and the output of whichever of the Timeline and Mobius is second to go to the wet amp.

If you're only using one amp, use the wet output.

hotpickups

Sporky said:

Didn't we go through this already, only it was a bit more compex then?

I think you can just put a suitable splitter before the  Timeline and Mobius. Then you use the "spare" output there to go to your dry amp, and the output of whichever of the Timeline and Mobius is second to go to the wet amp.

If you're only using one amp, use the wet output.

I'm not getting it @Sporky when using the looper i.e. DA I can see why people just chuck this stuff in and just plug and play into an amp. I think I might have to go to GigRig and ask them to draw up a diagram, even if I have to pay for it. Mind blowing

UnclePsychosis

What Sporky said. 

Just put the splitter earlier in the chain. Then one of its outputs goes straight into an amp and the other output goes into more effects. When you only have one amp you just don't use the first splitter output. 

robinbowes

I do exactly this. I use a GigRig Humdinger, but any splitter will do.

The chain is:

 guitar
    |
 some FX
    |
 splitter --> amp 2
    |
 more FX
    |
  amp 1  

Simples!

R.

John_P

Lie me last time you asked. I still think you can just run a line out of the loop switcher and split it into the second amp before the effects you don't want.   
Robins diagram covers it    Have you tried connecting it all.  

hotpickups

UnclePsychosis said:

What Sporky said. 

Just put the splitter earlier in the chain. Then one of its outputs goes straight into an amp and the other output goes into more effects. When you only have one amp you just don't use the first splitter output. 

This is my confusion @Sporky or at least in my head. So when in a single amp scenario I will want delays and modulation going to it so if I never so how will that signal get to the amp if it was outed to another? Do you mean I'll have to rearrange some patch cables etc?

Sorry If I seem a bit dim I'm not this bad usually LOL but I'm hitting a wall it seems 

Sporky

Ah - is the Mobius first in the chain?

hotpickups

John_P said:

Lie me last time you asked. I still think you can just run a line out of the loop switcher and split it into the second amp before the effects you don't want.   
Richards diagram covers it    Have you tried connecting it all.  

All connected at the moment but all fx go to both amps

hotpickups

Sporky said:

Ah - is the Mobius first in the chain?

Yeah

Sporky

I think @robinbowes has it - you put the splitter after the stuff that you want to go to both amps, but before the stuff you only want to go to one of the amps.

Gassage

Actually I don't buy the 'any splitter will do' thing.

So no.

If you don't believe me get a Lehl 1@3 and try it at 9v and 20v. Huge diff in clarity and headroom.

Sporky

hotpickups said:

Sporky said:

Ah - is the Mobius first in the chain?

Yeah

I think you're scuppered then, unless you're willing to change that.

If the Mobius is first you can't un-Mobius the signal later in the chain.

If you put the Mobius second to last and the Timeline last (or vicey-versey) then it'd be easy.

Gassage

Why don't ylu shove the Mobius in the TL stereo loop and use the TL outs?

paul_c2

Sporky said:

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If you're only using one amp, use the wet output.

Not 100% sure here but I'm thinking this wouldn't quite work, the delay would need the wet + dry output, otherwise with the wet only, you'd hear no original sound and ONLY the delayed tone, resulting in much confusion for audience + player.

Sporky

paul_c2 said:

Sporky said:

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If you're only using one amp, use the wet output.

Not 100% sure here but I'm thinking this wouldn't quite work, the delay would need the wet + dry output, otherwise with the wet only, you'd hear no original sound and ONLY the delayed tone, resulting in much confusion for audience + player.

Ah - I'd assumed that the delay would be set with a mix - I possibly confused things by using "wet" and "dry" to indicate the amps.

hotpickups

Gassage said:

Why don't ylu shove the Mobius in the TL stereo loop and use the TL outs?

How would you go about doing that the. @Gassage ?

It doesn't have to be there but as long as I can still use its pre/post feature ?

Gassage

hotpickups said:

Gassage said:

Why don't ylu shove the Mobius in the TL stereo loop and use the TL outs?

How would you go about doing that the. @Gassage ?

It doesn't have to be there but as long as I can still use its pre/post feature ?

Hand in your man card and read the manual!

hotpickups

Sporky said:

hotpickups said:

Sporky said:

Ah - is the Mobius first in the chain?

Yeah

I think you're scuppered then, unless you're willing to change that.

If the Mobius is first you can't un-Mobius the signal later in the chain.

If you put the Mobius second to last and the Timeline last (or vicey-versey) then it'd be easy.

What would be the chain then in my scenario going by my board image o posted @Sporky ;

hotpickups

Gassage said:

hotpickups said:

Gassage said:

Why don't ylu shove the Mobius in the TL stereo loop and use the TL outs?

How would you go about doing that the. @Gassage ?

It doesn't have to be there but as long as I can still use its pre/post feature ?

Hand in your man card and read the manual!

Got rid of that card years ago

hotpickups

I can see how placing the splitter earlier on in the chain and split fx out to different amps but can't see it working in a single amp though when I choose to. I'll have to move patch cables surely to accommodate this?