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"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
I always said that zvex pedals were worth the cash because they are all individually hand finished beautifully. Okay, it's only a pedal, but that does go some way to explaining the cost. But a label maker, shite knobs and crap tolexing does not a boutique pedal make.
Except it does.
So they've cloned it and been questioned the ethics of TGP members pooling resources to degoop it, then cloning it, then selling it cheaper.
The response is basically... Boutique builders clone classic guitar designs all the time. Lol they are so... *sigh* it's impossible to reason with people like that.
Though didn't they do an od pedal recently which sounds remarkably similar to a tubescreamer? Admittedly that was just forum surmising, I'm not sure if it's been reversed yet or not, or even if anyone has tried it. The description sure does sound like a tubescreamer, though of course it could be anything. (It's the east river drive, I think.)
Also some of the features they were mentioning on the soul food did sound very klon-like. Of course, it's not impossible that they've added similar features to a different circuit.
I'll wait to see what it is before doing anything. ) I agree with you, I'm very interested to see what it is. Either way, it's pretty much win-win- if it's a sensibly-priced klone, awesome. If it's something new which sounds good, also awesome. I suppose it could also be a clone of something else, but as you said, hopefully with EHX's track record it won't be.
I also agree with you about the complexity of the whole cloning issue. I pretty much agree with your stance on the subject (except I don't make pedals ) ). However, I don't have much time for the black-and-white brigade (or worse, the hypocrite brigade who cry foul when someone makes a cheap clone but who lap up expensive clones). It's fairly complex, and oversimplifying (or worse, just being an idiot and shouting loudly and/or namecalling) rarely adds anything to the debate.
haha nice
Yeah I saw that. ) Called the "bloom" or something like that. It's getting to the point where we need a poe's law for boutique stompboxes (or even just for TGP). I genuinely don't know what's a pisstake or not any more.
Oh well. I'm so glad the visual sound route 66 is literally the overdrive sound in my head. That's thousands of pounds saved right there...
I'm pretty happy with a transparent type od (e.g. timmy or bd2 or similar) and a ts- or sd1-type od. Neither costs tons. Admittedly I'm using them more for boosts than for standalone overdrive.
In fairness, I'm pretty much where you are - it's just pointless arguing with folks like that, where the goal posts will move to defend them at all times.
Agreed. That's the most infuriating thing. You can go through the threads and find bits which totally contradict things they say later. And yet they still have the temerity to attempt to claim the moral high ground.
I mean, I'm not saying I'm perfect or never wrong or anything like that, but holy crap, I don't say one thing one day and then the next day say the opposite and still claim to be in the right, especially when there's documentary evidence proving what I said the previous day. )
Yeah. This one is possibly even crazier than the previous Jan Ray thread. In this one you have people claiming that FSB is evil for trying to reverse-engineer it to let people know what it is... and then the self-same people (I think) later in the thread reverse it themselves (or talk someone into reversing it) so they can sell it on for profit.
You couldn't make it up.
It's an odd world. You'd think they'd at least charge less - 300 dollars is well into the realms of 'research for a pedal' in my opinion, and they've done none. The valvesporker (wish I had one...) was a tubeacreamer but a) he was totally open about it and b) there is nothing that sounds even remotely like it and c) it was never 220 odd quid, if I remember correctly. I imagine sporky did a fair bit more work than just cloning an already existing pedal...
Edit: apparently it's a circuit that is simpler with less parts than a tubescreamer. Wtf?! Is it a fet booster or something?!
Americans arnt the brightest!
Now where's that hiding behind the couch avatar!
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