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Re aggression, there's SO many studies that proof conclusively that alcohol is simply the most destructive drug in society when it comes to aggression, domestic violence and social violence. One study suggested it was 40 times worse than weed.
The Police themselves would absolutely agree with that too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/20/researchers-have-finally-found-out-why-youre-such-a-mean-drunk/?utm_term=.24cd49f3cb1c
*An Official Foo-Approved guitarist since Sept 2023.
Im not a mean drunk, I don't get violent, I get sleepy and perhaps have a slightly over optimistic option of my fretboard skills.
But as it happens, it is illegal, and instead of buying it in Tesco, you have to make furtive phone calls to dodgy people asking " hey man you got any veg?" Or " erm yeah I'm looking for Henry???" Etc etc.
I suggest you have a word with them and ask for honest answers on what they intend to achieve. Some people like being in a band, there's no intention of writing playing or gigging.
You obviously want to play in a band with rehearsals leading to gigs. If their honest answers match yours suggest that they treat it professionally i.e. no drink no drugs be punctional do some work do some homework set targets and achieve them.
If they can't do this I'd suggest you walk.
The government (under advisement from experts prob far more qualified than you or I) deem it as dangerous as Barbiturates, Amphetamines and Ketamine.
Why not broach it with them and diplomatically explain how and why you feel the way you do? Don't expect them to agree with you (as you've seen here not everyone will) and certainly don't present it as some kind of ultimatum as that can only backfire. You may find however that they are willing to not smoke around you which is certainly going to make you feel less uncomfortable about it.
As to the moral-legal bit, if in a decade it does get sold in Tesco's, looking back will you kick yourself if you lost some potentially good friendships over it?
Bandcamp
Spotify, Apple et al
It's the moral, legal, emotional ramifications I'm struggling with.
Can we hear some music please.
This band better be good after I have read through this non-issue.
You are not responsible for other peoples morals.
You are doing nothing illegal.
The emotional stuff, well sounds like you need some cognitive-behavioural therapy to get some perspective back.
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Alcohol is a more destructive drug because it's far more commonly used or misused as we seem to have a poor understanding of how to drink responsibly and it's effects make it a great conduit for being violent or undertaking criminal activity. However, saying cannabis is okay because alcohol is worse is a bit of a spurious argument.
As for the actual problem... @professorben - is there any reason you don't feel you can just talk to them about it and explain your position (presumably without it becoming combative)?
You really are talking out of your arse on the above, it's as simple as that.
In Durham the Police are now actively encouraging users to harvest their own to assist with the dealing issues and have said it's their policy NOT to prosecute.
And, re sentencing, the ladder guidelines are to prosecute after 4 warnings now so again, you're miles wide of the mark.
THe SNP wants total decriminalisation, 53% of the country support it and the Govt Advisory Council For the Misuse of Drugs have campagined for dercim since 1979. So have the Royal Society for Public Health
The Home Affairs Select Committee were only prevented from this by Keith Vaz in 2012 who refused to let it through.
Re driving, there's now a CPS prosecution guideline for it in your system BEFORE prosecution (25ng/ml)
You need to go have a spliff and chill.
*An Official Foo-Approved guitarist since Sept 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt#Government_positions
"He was asked to go because he cannot be both a government adviser and a campaigner against government policy." - which means the government only uses advisors that confirm their own political viewpoints. Hardly evidence-based legislation.
I do take your point that simply *because* it's theoretically illegal, it's more of a problem than, say, a bottle of vodka. But the argument that because it shares a political classification with Ketamine that it's just as dangerous is simply wrong.
By the way, re the thrust of your opening post, I reckon (genuinely) you should neck it with them. You've a very clear and defined view on this and whilst I personally totally disagree with you, that view is thought through and something you are very entrenched on and you are clearly, from the converations here, not going to compromise one inch.
Now, they will (as I would) totally poo-poo you to the point of just not understanding at all why you're so binary about this- I know stoners- they won't engage on this at all because the depth of your very extreme condemnation is quite rare amongst musos and in society these days (that doesn't dilute your right to hold it, I want to make that clear).
So, sooner or later it'll end in tears as the two views are incompatible and you're (sorry to say this) unusual in your view on this by the yardstick of most people I know.
PS: respect the consistancy of your stance too
*An Official Foo-Approved guitarist since Sept 2023.
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