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I certainly never had a problem with my old L20h into either a 1936 / Zilla Studio 212 / Orange PPC212 / Marshall 1960a, always plenty of low end.
EL84's dont generate the same grinding bass frequencies as 6L6's or EL34's, no matter what anyone says, they just don't.
Personally i'd go for an EL34 loaded amp but then change over to the E34L's, they're a happy middle ground. I usually prefer the highs and upper mids of the EL34 and the lower mid and bass frequencies of the 6L6. I used to have a Brunetti Pirata 141 that allowed you to blend between the two valve types, it really helped me decide what i like about those two valves.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Gratuituous pic (note that the control settings shown here - particularly the tone stack - aren't representative of what I typically use):
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The reason it worked so well for SRV is because he used it into a very loud, clean fender amp. Most people use it to tip the amp into drive, but he actually used quite a bit of gain I think (some may disagree).
Tubescreamers slash your bass out in a big way, so lots of volume, a big cab and a powerful amp are big parts to that sound I think.
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Absolutely.
I loved my old route 66 - it had a comp and a ts808 style circuit, rather than the Open Road and TS derived circuits in yours.
Mine only had a bass boost option but it did thicken things up. Great pedal.
Never seen one.
That is true. I've seen a pic of his pedalboard and the distortion knobs on both the Tube Screamers were above 12 o'clock. The idea of using a TS as an almost-clean boost is a more modern thing.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Incidentally when i had a sheriff22 , it worked fine with maxon level on full and drive at zero, but start turning up the drive control and the amp sounded like a soggy dose of the skitters (trots). Wonder if its a el84 v 6L6 how easily they compress thing ?
If i go for the 6L6 duchess its so as i have a killer clean platform, clean for jeff buckley, add a pedal for jeff healey dirty clean rhythm tones and a boost for singing leads. Using two drive units , is there a risk of over compressed mush with this amp ?
When you say turning up the drive control on the pedal makes things sound bad, do you also turn the level down? The HT-5 has diode hard-limiting on the input to protect the first gain stage (which is an IC, not a valve - in fact the valve is much later in the circuit), so if you hit it with too high a signal level that will kick in and it will sound more like stacking distortion pedals. In any case a TS doesn't really sound good like that either.
I know it seems to be fashionable now to thrash the living daylights out of the amp with input level, but it very often doesn't work well, even with cleaner amps. Use the various gain and level controls on the pedals and the amp to produce a more consistent steady increase in gain through the whole the signal path and it will work much better. Contrary to popular belief the TS and other overdrive pedals of that era were designed to be used into clean amps, as stand-alone overdriven tone generators. The reason they work well as boosters into some valve amps is a happy accident.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
I find a Boss SD-1 into a DS-1 works very well, for example - but I set the SD-1 with very little more than unity level, and they have completely different EQs. I never use an overdrive pedal with the level up full or the gain on zero.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Thank god there are some people who know what a demo is ( not Rob Chapman ) what this demo is saying to me is that difference in using el34 or 6L6 with that amp is how you like your mids, you like slightly scooped mids a la fender super reverb or vibroverb then the 6L6 is for you, like your mids a bit more prounounced a la marshall then el34 is your ticket. There is a bell like clarity im hearing with the 6L6 that is nearly giving me a semi, now all i need to know is just how much that amp loves pedals for clean platform use.
Isnt that guitarists everything Rob Chapman isnt, what a player the guy in this video really is.
Im in a quandry as i love warren dimartini ratt tones (el34) and philip sayce (6l6), can el34s be used for spanky cleans and can 6l6s be used for chewy drive ? I know the answer is both heads, 6l6 for clean and el34 for drive.....but my wife would have my balls.
Some amps can use either valve, and it doesn't drastically change the sound - more a difference in how easy it is to dial it in for classic Fender or Marshall-style sounds.
Bear in mind a Hiwatt DR103 uses EL34s and still produces clear, bell-like clean sounds - and a Soldano SLO uses 6L6s and produces very full-on rock overdrive...
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein