NAMM Marshall

p90fool

Plectrum said:

p90fool said:

So why on earth we're you banging on about infinitesimal details of 20w Jet City loops when they're all EL84 amps anyway?  

I assumed from the beginning that the 20w/EL34 Marshall thing was a typo, I can't imagine why they'd do that. 

It's no typo. The 20 watters use 2 EL34s running a lower voltage just as in the mini Jubilees.

Sounds cool, would love to know how that works.

sweepy

Proabably in a similar way that my Bad Cat Hot Cat 30 has 2x EL34’s

Plectrum

p90fool said:

Plectrum said:

p90fool said:

So why on earth we're you banging on about infinitesimal details of 20w Jet City loops when they're all EL84 amps anyway?  

I assumed from the beginning that the 20w/EL34 Marshall thing was a typo, I can't imagine why they'd do that. 

It's no typo. The 20 watters use 2 EL34s running a lower voltage just as in the mini Jubilees.

Sounds cool, would love to know how that works.

One of our amp gurus would probably be best able to explain it.

Trude

Just noticed the 50w combo is only around 40lbs.  Swap the speaker for a neo Creamback and that would be an amazingly lightweight & loud package.

musteatbrain

The Marshall site shows ecc83s in the front end and the power stage of the new DSLs as well as El34s 
anyone know how that works?

photek

musteatbrain said:

The Marshall site shows ecc83s in the front end and the power stage of the new DSLs as well as El34s 
anyone know how that works?

The DSL1 has an ECC82 as a ‘power valve’ the DSL5 uses an ECC99 rest have EL34’s.

Lestratcaster

Seen they're doing a DSL 1 watt and a 5 watt version.

I'm planning to upgrade from my MG15r, 1 watt is loud enough for home use wouldn't it? I barely turn the 15 watt one very loud so its a waste of the headroom on the amp I think. The 5 watt one is a bit more than I expected which I was going it get originally. I've never used a 1 watt amp before.

TTBZ

The 1 watt DSL isn't very loud at all and actually sounds half decent through a cab! Imo the 8" speaker is too small in the combo. Kinda tempted to get a 1w head for playing at home. 

Lestratcaster

Also according to Andertons the channels aren't footswitchable on the new ones, only 20watts is. But I can see there's a jack labelled F/S in the photos?

Plectrum

musteatbrain said:

The Marshall site shows ecc83s in the front end and the power stage of the new DSLs as well as El34s 
anyone know how that works?

Do you mean the ecc83 which is used as the phase inverter (and is therefore technically part of the power section)?

thermionic

The Marshall website is inconsistent where the phase inverter valve is listed under, preamp or poweramp.

springhead

If it's same basic topology as most of their other amps then it's a bit of both.  Provides differential signals to the power amp but also has gain and contributes to the distortion characteristic.  I'd call it part of the power amp though.
 

musteatbrain

Plectrum said:

musteatbrain said:

The Marshall site shows ecc83s in the front end and the power stage of the new DSLs as well as El34s 
anyone know how that works?

Do you mean the ecc83 which is used as the phase inverter (and is therefore technically part of the power section)?

That’ll be the one!

musteatbrain

https://youtu.be/dRrdNPZFTQY
My only concern with the origin amp is that the gain is maxed with the boost about half way through this clip. The amp sounds good, but seems to have even less gain than a JTM45. I’ll wait to hear one in a room before buying. If it just had a smidge more gain on tap and reverb, without the extra complexity of the DSL, I’d have bought one straight away. 2203 in a similar 20w format would be the greatest thing ever on paper for my circumstance. 

Twinfan

They're designed to be more "Plexi" I think, Matt.  Chuck a boost in front 

TTBZ

Yeah its more of a hot plexi thing. In the official demo on the Marshall youtube, the bit with the strat had the gain most of the way up I think - around 8 with the pull boost out. I think it has more gain than any JTM45 I've played, and more than the 2061x.

Collings

The one demo i watched yesterday the guy from marshall suggested it was a "lower" gain amp and in the demo it seemed to get to about jtm45 levels but don,t know if was maxed out.

musteatbrain

Twinfan said:

They're designed to be more "Plexi" I think, Matt.  Chuck a boost in front 

That’s probably what I’ll do. Play it for a year and then move it on if they do something more like the 2203

Twinfan

If you're after 2203 tones, a Mini Jube is closer than an Origin by the sound of it.

crunchman

photek said:

musteatbrain said:

The Marshall site shows ecc83s in the front end and the power stage of the new DSLs as well as El34s 
anyone know how that works?

The DSL1 has an ECC82 as a ‘power valve’ the DSL5 uses an ECC99 rest have EL34’s.

I take they are push-pull then rather than single ended.  That will probably help them sound more like a "proper" Marshall.