Anderton's Vertex video

dindude

My take is that Anderton must be in living under a rock not to know about the Vertex thing to some level, even if not the gruesome detail.

My next take is that Vertex man has obvious contempt for the pedal buying public, playing on the hype-next-best-thing model that the pedal public can get caught up in.

My next next take is that Andertons have contempt for internet forums and the like, probably of the belief that they transcend the forum population - some of their vids are very dismissive of "forum types" and that skit vid they did recently did on YouTube Trolls was embarrassing in its transparent bitterness - despite their enormous growth being attributed to internet presence.

Mix it all up and you have a situation such as this.

I may well be way off the mark.

Dan_Halen

dindude said:

My take is that Anderton must be in living under a rock not to know about the Vertex thing to some level, even if not the gruesome detail.

My next take is that Vertex man has obvious contempt for the pedal buying public, playing on the hype-next-best-thing model that the pedal public can get caught up in.

My next next take is that Andertons have contempt for internet forums and the like, probably of the belief that they transcend the forum population - some of their vids are very dismissive of "forum types" and that skit vid they did recently did on YouTube Trolls was embarrassing in its transparent bitterness - despite their enormous growth being attributed to internet presence.

Mix it all up and you have a situation such as this.

I may well be way off the mark.

Is it not, just maybe, slightly more plausible that Lee had briefly heard of Vertex-gate (which he brought up in the video), didn't know the full extent of it and simply thought - I'll get the guy on, have a listen to his pedals and see what he has to say? Pretty much like he said in his response?

I'm sure anyone who see's the video will see the comments, the internet has done it's thing and warned people (who can now make an informed decision) but put the tin foil hat away.

The Vertex guy is clearly a huge bell-end, Andertons have probably clearly mis-judged the situation but not everything is a huge conspiracy. Sometimes, things are just as they appear.

You are entitled to your opinion though and I'm not saying you're wrong. I just see it differently. If, in time, Anderton's do as Lee said and drop the pedals then fair enough but at least wait and see before summoning the firing squad.

joeyowen

If nothing else this has been a baaddd pr move. Anyone who sees this video and checks the comments (like most) is more likely to avoid... So I'm all for keeping it up! 

hotpickups

Well you know what they say , bad publicity is good publicity. Maybe Lee of Andertons is adopting that

Not sure he needs to though 

Blueingreen

fftc said:

Some folk really do have a great line in being outraged!

So the Vertex guy is a dick. OK, don't buy his pedals. Did he order bombs to be dropped on a hospital? No, so a sense of perspective might be in order.
Anyone who might boycott Andertons for anything other than a Vertex pedal purchase was probably just looking for an excuse anyway.

That's an interesting concept of a "sense of perspective". 

Victim: Officer, he demanded money and threatened us with a gun!

Police Officer: I'm sorry, sir, the yardstick we've been told to apply is whether the offence is as serious as dropping bombs on a hospital.  I'm afraid we'll have to let this one go. Perspective, you see sir.

Winny_Pooh

IMO Mason needs to leave the pedal industry, period. He's not done enough(or anything) to justify forgiveness and no one, including Lee, should help keep him going. I'm not the type of buyer who shops in Anderstons anyway but I'd be averse to buy from Any shop who supports a crook who has been outed numerous times.  

meltedbuzzbox

Winny_Pooh said:

IMO Mason needs to leave the pedal industry, period. He's not done enough(or anything) to justify forgiveness and no one, including Lee, should help keep him going. I'm not the type of buyer who shops in Anderstons anyway but I'd be averse to buy from Any shop who supports a crook who has been outed numerous times.  

Is he that much worse than Behringer?
I know they haven't lied out right in the same public manner but the blatant cloning and disregard for everyone else's intellectual seems to be going unscolded

Edit - I don't think they have dropped bombs on anything

darcym

Maybe Lee should talk to Peach 

http://www.peachguitars.com/fx-pedals/vertex-effects-landau-boost-1.htm

I stopped buying from companies supporting Masons come back - the guy continues to lie, he was demoing a certiatone amp as a "dumble" to prove his pedals worth and deleting comments of the guy who owned the amp before the guy loaning it to Mason and various others, basically still a liar still hiding it, deleting comments calling him out, deleting comments of people asking question that are not "wow looks mega" type comments, 

I'll be buying from Peach all day long, I've bought from Andertons in the past, but this video isn't cool, I find it hard to believe that anyone who is about to consider stocking a brand and asks for demo's doesn't at least google them to see how long the company has been around, do they eat babies etc, first hits on vertex pedals are huge amount of complaints, so I'd expect that to raise questions or at least a minor dig into things.

I've known andertons where stocking vertex, but ignored it just out of being lazy and insignificant, but seeing a video like this pretty much allowing Mason to spread his lies, I'm done with them.

Every company will stock brands we don't like or have a problem with, but Vertex is on it's 9th chance and continues to be a lie based business and owner who continues AFTER being exposed (not coming clean) to misinform customers and hide that fact that he's misleading them, I just can't support Andertons using it's significant media profile to support this guy. Gutting as I've had good service from Andertons in the past and it's nice to support "shops" rather than the internet, but this is just not cool. 

RMJ

I was only recently wondering what had become of Mason. Saw Rhett Schull video on YT where Mason built him a pedal board and wondered if Mason had turned over a new leaf. It’s a shame to hear is still spinning the yarn openly on social media.

The way this has respectively been dealt with by Peach and Andertons says a lot. 

hubobulous

Not sure if the text on Peach's website is new or not, but I'm almost certain that they stated that stance a long time ago when the truth was revealed. So whilst the web page content may be new, it's simply being updated to reflect a position that they've held for a while.

I admire the way Peach is run. Just more my type of people.

Winny_Pooh

meltedbuzzbox said:

Winny_Pooh said:

IMO Mason needs to leave the pedal industry, period. He's not done enough(or anything) to justify forgiveness and no one, including Lee, should help keep him going. I'm not the type of buyer who shops in Anderstons anyway but I'd be averse to buy from Any shop who supports a crook who has been outed numerous times.  

Is he that much worse than Behringer?
I know they haven't lied out right in the same public manner but the blatant cloning and disregard for everyone else's intellectual seems to be going unscolded

Edit - I don't think they have dropped bombs on anything

I've read enough about Uli Behringer (esp the recent lawsuit) to refuse to buy anything they make too if that helps. 

darcym

hubobulous said:

Not sure if the text on Peach's website is new or not, but I'm almost certain that they stated that stance a long time ago when the truth was revealed. So whilst the web page content may be new, it's simply being updated to reflect a position that they've held for a while.

I admire the way Peach is run. Just more my type of people.

it's very old. It was there when I bought my Fender amps from them, which was a good few years ago. 

NelsonP

juansolo said:

That place... is strong with the dark side of the Force. A domain of evil it is.

And as if to prove a point here's a direct quote from the gear page thread...

"I understand it completely. It's just wrong, because you're just not using reason."

You have been warned.

octatonic

Winny_Pooh said:

meltedbuzzbox said:

Winny_Pooh said:

IMO Mason needs to leave the pedal industry, period. He's not done enough(or anything) to justify forgiveness and no one, including Lee, should help keep him going. I'm not the type of buyer who shops in Anderstons anyway but I'd be averse to buy from Any shop who supports a crook who has been outed numerous times.  

Is he that much worse than Behringer?
I know they haven't lied out right in the same public manner but the blatant cloning and disregard for everyone else's intellectual seems to be going unscolded

Edit - I don't think they have dropped bombs on anything

I've read enough about Uli Behringer (esp the recent lawsuit) to refuse to buy anything they make too if that helps. 

Is this when he tried suing an employee of another company and about 20 unnamed Gearslutz members for defamation?

mgaw

all this aside I have tried a couple of his pedals and they were a bit poo, really lightweight, felt cheap apart from the Vertex Wah which being entirely made by someone else, then cuntingly rebadged by Vertex is actually a very fine wah.


Worth trying if you can find one for sale !

Fuengi

I can understand why some people are upset at this guy, and to some extent with Lee. 

However....

If you are absolutely convinced that he will repeat his past behaviour, then Lee has just offered all Vertex pedals for free. Buy one. Or two, three or four, you will get a full refund, it's there in writing! 

If you think Lee is right and he has turned over a new leaf then don't buy one, but don't complain about Andertons selling them. Fair enough to raise this guy's past, but also fair enough to give him another (one last) chance?

viz

mgaw said:

Worth trying if you can find one for sale !

Lol

Wazmeister

Fuengi said:

I can understand why some people are upset at this guy, and to some extent with Lee. 

However....

If you are absolutely convinced that he will repeat his past behaviour, then Lee has just offered all Vertex pedals for free. Buy one. Or two, three or four, you will get a full refund, it's there in writing! 

If you think Lee is right and he has turned over a new leaf then don't buy one, but don't complain about Andertons selling them. Fair enough to raise this guy's past, but also fair enough to give him another (one last) chance?

Really ?

He must have had a dozen last chances...

It's amazing the level of feeling about this guy; here and in the US and elsewhere I guess.

Fraudster full stop.

hotpickups

Shit really does stick doesn't it

gringopig

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