Tina S - bloody hell!

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I discovered this about half an hour ago. It's been many years since my gob was so smacked.



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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1992
    I'm sorry and I'm not trolling. I couldn't listen after two minutes and turned it off. 
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  • MajorscaleMajorscale Frets: 811
    There's talent there, but I lasted less time than Merlin!
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  • KeefyKeefy Frets: 475
    On one hand this lady's playing far exceeds my own level of ability. On the other, I didn't enjoy listening to it, can't really say why.

    An observation (sour grapes if you will): There is a black band of something wrapped around the neck between the nut and the first fret - presumably this is to stop open strings from ringing, which suggests to me that the player hasn't got their string-damping sorted.
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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 2498
    That’s stunt guitar gymnastics and not music 
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  • The Beethoven doesn’t do much for me.


    This one though is INCREDIBLE; 

    https://youtu.be/nJi8iSpzq9I
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 8145
    Keefy said:


    An observation (sour grapes if you will): There is a black band of something wrapped around the neck between the nut and the first fret - presumably this is to stop open strings from ringing, which suggests to me that the player hasn't got their string-damping sorted.
    Like Guthrie Govan, Greg Howe and Bumblefoot do? 


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  • dindudedindude Frets: 6286
    The Beethoven doesn’t do much for me.


    This one though is INCREDIBLE; 

    https://youtu.be/nJi8iSpzq9I
    I didn’t think it was possible to overplay a Vai song, but she achieved it here, dives straight in and then nowhere to go but to attack the strings like they’re gonna hurt her family. It’s a no from me from a listening point of view.
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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 2043
    Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. 
    This leaves me cold. I appreciate it from a technical point of view, but didn’t enjoy it.  
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 1498
    She's still young. Why not? I reckon she'll refine her stuff as she gets older.
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  • SCRelicsGuitarsSCRelicsGuitars Frets: 3080
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    But if she was playing an R9, y’all would love it ;)
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  • prowlaprowla Frets: 1584
    dindude said:
    The Beethoven doesn’t do much for me.


    This one though is INCREDIBLE; 

    https://youtu.be/nJi8iSpzq9I
    I didn’t think it was possible to overplay a Vai song, but she achieved it here, dives straight in and then nowhere to go but to attack the strings like they’re gonna hurt her family. It’s a no from me from a listening point of view.
    Overplaying a Vai song... :-)
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 6252
    The problem is, this classical stuff just sounds naff on a guitar, no matter how good you are.
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  • fandangofandango Frets: 1396
    Like other comments, i’d agree she’s technically proficient. But nothing that hours and hours of practice can’t solve.

    Musically? I lasted less than 30 seconds on each of the above vids. Awful gain on the first. And i find the virtuoso stuff difficult to listen to at best of times. Nothing against Beethoven or Vai, but just NMCoT.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 14195
    Philtre said:
    She's still young. Why not? I reckon she'll refine her stuff as she gets older.
    She isn't young any more, but she's still pretty much the same player.

    She plays like somebody who focuses on speed over the subtleties that make those pieces of music great. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely a market for that sort of thing, but it's the lack of those subtleties that makes her stuff hard to listen to - using pick attack for emphasis, varying the picking position, vibrato, varying the bend speed etc. Generally-speaking, those are the markers of folk who learned to play much more slowly, and naturally acquired the speed as a by-product of everything else.
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 6075
    edited July 8
    Philtre said:
    She's still young. Why not? I reckon she'll refine her stuff as she gets older.
    She isn't young any more, but she's still pretty much the same player.

    She's 20.  I think that's still young, by any standards.

    I think she's great, I like her playing more than many others in a similar vein.  It does strike me that she doesn't seem to have posted any videos for several years, I'm curious to know what she's doing now.
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 2068
    I sometimes wonder if I play a different instrument to other "guitarists" on here.

    This sort of stuff leaves me cold.

    R.
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  • ShrewsShrews Frets: 543
    All I kept thinking was, she's going to get repetitive strain injury when she's older.
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  • hollywoodroxhollywoodrox Frets: 18
    Ace I like em both , I do have quite a few Yngwie records and joe stump,Becker Mc alpine Moore , it annoys me though as I’m rubbish
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  • Jez6345789Jez6345789 Frets: 1086
    Managed about 40 seconds per track she is young so some latitude in this day You Tube is full of copycat young girls over playing. It’s sort of I have to be better than the men and frankly the skill with something like the love of god is not playing it but in the writing and arranging it just shredding the hell out of it to prove a point meh from me.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 14195
    Philly_Q said:
    Philtre said:
    She's still young. Why not? I reckon she'll refine her stuff as she gets older.
    She isn't young any more, but she's still pretty much the same player.

    She's 20.  I think that's still young, by any standards.

    I think she's great, I like her playing more than many others in a similar vein.  It does strike me that she doesn't seem to have posted any videos for several years, I'm curious to know what she's doing now.
    Well, she's been playing for 14 years at this point. I'd suggest that's plenty of time to have gone back to the beginning and picked up all those bits she missed in the desire for speed; that's exactly what I did. Of course, YouTube wasn't around back then to encourage me to just play fast and sod the rest of it ;)
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 6075
    I've been playing for 39 years and I'm still shit.

    That's not trying to counter your argument.  It's just a fact.   :s

    But seriously (not that that wasn't serious), yes, she's been playing for 14 years.  The last 3 of those years are, as far as I can see (without making too much effort), undocumented.  She may have done exactly what you suggested.  And she IS still very young, there's plenty of time for her to develop her playing in all sorts of ways.
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 258
    edited July 9
    I sometimes wonder if I play a different instrument to other "guitarists" on here.

    This sort of stuff leaves me cold.

    R.
    Horses for courses init.  I really like this kind of stuff but every time I hear another "blues" track full of "emotion" it just becomes a yawn fest.

    I appreciate the inventive stuff sure ... but most of it is a rehash and sub-<insert great of choice here>
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  • VibetronicVibetronic Frets: 413
    It's really hard to play the first part without a string muter as it's all tapped and all over the place - can be done but it's difficult (the guy who did the original arrangement didn't use one). It's actually a really fun piece of music to learn and the arrangement is very cool - the tapping ideas at the start can be adapted/used in other things and it's really satisfying to play. Saw it years ago and the thing that impressed me most was her patience in learning it all - it's something ridiculous like 50 sheets of music.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 14195
    Bezzer said:

    ...but every time I hear another "blues" track full of "emotion" it just becomes a yawn fest.

    I'm right there with you. I can only draw the conclusion that it's because when 90% of guitarists hear "it's got to be played with emotion" they think it means "it's got to be sad and slow just like the thousands of tracks everybody else has done before".
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 2068
    Bezzer said:
    I sometimes wonder if I play a different instrument to other "guitarists" on here.

    This sort of stuff leaves me cold.

    R.
    Horses for courses init.  I really like this kind of stuff but every time I hear another "blues" track full of "emotion" it just becomes a yawn fest.

    I appreciate the inventive stuff sure ... but most of it is a rehash and sub-<insert great of choice here>
    Interesting non sequitur there...

    I'm not particularly talking about the genre, rather the guitar-for-guitars-sake stuff.

    I like to think of myself as a musician who happens to play guitar, so I tend to focus on the overall performance or song, and not my own gymnastic ability.

    R.
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 1498
    Bezzer said:
    I sometimes wonder if I play a different instrument to other "guitarists" on here.

    This sort of stuff leaves me cold.

    R.
    Horses for courses init.  I really like this kind of stuff but every time I hear another "blues" track full of "emotion" it just becomes a yawn fest.

    I appreciate the inventive stuff sure ... but most of it is a rehash and sub-<insert great of choice here>
    Noodle on a major blues scale, throw in the change from "Lenny", waggle the neck a lot...now that's a YT hit! ;-)
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  • BezzerBezzer Frets: 258
    edited July 9
    Interesting non sequitur there...

    I'm not particularly talking about the genre, rather the guitar-for-guitars-sake stuff.

    I like to think of myself as a musician who happens to play guitar, so I tend to focus on the overall performance or song, and not my own gymnastic ability.

    R.
    That's sort of what I meant too, it's all subjective so one what one person wants to listen to is not the same as anyone else.  An extension of the "leaves me cold" comment in your original post.

    Was not intended as belligerence for the sake of an argument.

    Your last sentence there sums it up really, "I tend to focus on the overall performance or song, and not my own gymnastic ability" ... that is fine for whatever it is you're playing (I assume, I have not heard your music, but the way you phrased that implied such).  However, the same could be said for those playing with a high level of said gymnastic ability ... for their music, and for what they want to achieve, they ARE focusing on the overall performance or song.
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  • BlueingreenBlueingreen Frets: 966
    Some of the criticism seems unfair.

    We’ve reached the point where electric guitar is being taught to some youngsters in the same way as traditional classical instruments.  And that's inevitable: it may be a relatively new instrument but it's been a successful one and it was never going to remain outside the family of conventional instruments forever.

    Part of the culture is to develop technique to the point where the student can play the repertoire at very high levels of technical difficulty. They showcase that by performing technically challenging pieces. That seems to be what’s happening here.

    You can't achieve what she wants to achieve by knocking out a nicely felt version of "Sultans of Swing".  People who can do that are a dime a dozen. 

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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 14195

    You can't achieve what she wants to achieve by knocking out a nicely felt version of "Sultans of Swing".  People who can do that are a dime a dozen. 

    No, you can't...but that does teach you the bits that guitar-athletics students don't seem to learn nowadays, mainly control of the instrument and the benefits of finger strength and fine control over the strings. Those are the things that give a player their own unique voice, and they're what separate the guitar from most other instruments - the fact that you can play the same note any number of ways and have it sound different from the others.

    The two things aren't mutually-exclusive. You can learn to play fast and learn to get the basics right at the same time, especially in the first 15 years of playing! So many don't, though.

    Also, please shrink the font in your sig, as per the rules ;)
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  • KeefyKeefy Frets: 475
    Keefy said:


    An observation (sour grapes if you will): There is a black band of something wrapped around the neck between the nut and the first fret - presumably this is to stop open strings from ringing, which suggests to me that the player hasn't got their string-damping sorted.
    Like Guthrie Govan, Greg Howe and Bumblefoot do? 


    Yep. I guess if you use monstrous gain levels and want to fly around the fretboard, you haven't got fingers spare to mute open strings.
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