Can we put this to bed now?

octatonic

So I think the answer to the question posed is ‘No. No we cannot.’

ToneControl

stickyfiddle said:

ToneControl said:

ah, I see. So calling someone an "overprivileged, frankly sinister cunt" does not, after all imply any jealousy

No, because “overprivileged” doesnt mean someone who is “better” than someone else, it means someone blindly lauds their own abilities/skills/opinions (usually opinions) over others without any consideration of whether that is appropriate. 

what dictionary is that from ?
Your (I assume) improvised definition of "overprivileged" does not match any published definition that I have ever seen

ToneControl

Sassafras said:

ToneControl said:

ah, I see. So calling someone an "overprivileged, frankly sinister cunt" does not, after all imply any jealousy

This sentence says more about your jealousy.

Explain your reasoning please, I have expressed no opinion about Mogg in this sentence, so how do you reach this conclusion?

stickyfiddle

ToneControl said:

stickyfiddle said:

ToneControl said:

ah, I see. So calling someone an "overprivileged, frankly sinister cunt" does not, after all imply any jealousy

No, because “overprivileged” doesnt mean someone who is “better” than someone else, it means someone blindly lauds their own abilities/skills/opinions (usually opinions) over others without any consideration of whether that is appropriate. 

what dictionary is that from ?
Your (I assume) improvised definition of "overprivileged" does not match any published definition that I have ever seen

It's called context, dear. If we're talking about dictionary definitions (i.e. disproportionately privileged compared to others)  the JRM is absolutely overprivileged by any metric, which doesn't imply jealousy anyway, it's just a statement of fact. 

stickyfiddle

p90fool said:

@stickyfiddle I'm in no way criticising that, I spent many years on the managerial ladder myself, and if it weren't for unrelated personal circumstances which effectively diverted me from it I'd still be there.

I did however, feel more and more hollow the more "things" I owned, and have never been particularly acquisitional since circumstances broke the habit for me. 

The sheer release of having fewer and simpler things is the reason for the OP, and the mild rant about jealousy is because it honestly couldn't be further from the truth. 

No, absolutely. I wasn't being defensive at all - I completely agree with you

Budgie

I thought it was considered bad form here to follow someone onto a different thread and continue to bait them. I think everyone knows who the aggressor is here. He should, perhaps, wind his neck in a little?

Philly_Q

Roland said:

p90fool said:

Just a minor point, 

Actually it’s a major point for the moderation team. We don’t allow personal abuse of forum members. We also don’t allow personal abuse of public figures, and of the general public, who have no capability to reply.

What constitutes personal abuse in that context?  There are thousands of "non-positive" comments about musicians, CEOs and PR men of guitar companies, retailers, well-known eBay sellers, politicians, actors, celebrities of every stripe.... How can you police that?

Presumably if we say "I'm not fond of Mumford & Sons" that's OK, but if we say "Mumford & Sons are fucking shite" is it personal abuse?

It's an absolute minefield.

By the way, I totally agree with the OP's sentiments.

darthed1981

octatonic said:

So I think the answer to the question posed is ‘No. No we cannot.’

That's a "lolsdom" from me!

VimFuego

just to clarify something in my head, we'd all be OK calling Rees Mogg a cunt, but some take exception to the over privileged bit?  

ToneControl

Budgie said:

I thought it was considered bad form here to follow someone onto a different thread and continue to bait them. I think everyone knows who the aggressor is here. He should, perhaps, wind his neck in a little?

not when the OP starts with a vague insult to "career types" - which is presumably meant to insult me

ToneControl

In the case of Mogg, I genuinely believe that many dislike him predominantly because he is rich and posh

If I were to dismiss some other MP with a comment like "underprivileged, frankly sinister cunt", i have no doubt at all that I'd correctly be called a snob. I'm saying that I've called out inverse snobbery here, and have received strange replies about what "overprivileged" might mean in someone's head, and weird insults

PolarityMan

ToneControl said:

In the case of Mogg, I genuinely believe that many dislike him predominantly because he is rich and posh

If I were to dismiss some other MP with a comment like "underprivileged, frankly sinister cunt", i have no doubt at all that I'd correctly be called a snob. I'm saying that I've called out inverse snobbery here, and have received strange replies about what "overprivileged" might mean in someone's head, and weird insults

that's not a weird insult........

Revolting1

ToneControl said:

ah, I see. So calling someone an "overprivileged, frankly sinister cunt" does not, after all imply any jealousy

Frankly,I'd describe it as an understatement, certainly left out venal.

 

 Therefore  a generous description.

   Hope the stress can be put to bed.

ToneControl

VimFuego said:

just to clarify something in my head, we'd all be OK calling Rees Mogg a cunt, but some take exception to the over privileged bit?  

that's it, I don't see the point of adding that bit, it just sounds like inverse snobbery. It's not his fault he was born into his family

Brize

ToneControl said:

ah, I see. So calling someone an "overprivileged, frankly sinister cunt" does not, after all imply any jealousy

If I've got this right, the OP sees nothing wrong in insulting a public figure in this way, but takes umbrage at someone insinuating that he might have a chip on his shoulder?

Nikko

Jeez...

Philly_Q

Maybe we should put this thread to bed now?  I don't think it's put anything to bed.

p90fool

ToneControl said:

VimFuego said:

just to clarify something in my head, we'd all be OK calling Rees Mogg a cunt, but some take exception to the over privileged bit?  

that's it, I don't see the point of adding that bit, it just sounds like inverse snobbery. It's not his fault he was born into his family

Ok, you're wilfully and pedanticaly missing my point about him being out of touch - I have friends who were born wealthy and it's no more a crime than being born poor, as you well know. 

p90fool

Philly_Q said:

Maybe we should put this thread to bed now?  I don't think it's put anything to bed.

I agree, I wish I'd never started it.

Brize

p90fool said:

Philly_Q said:

Maybe we should put this thread to bed now?  I don't think it's put anything to bed.

I agree, I wish I'd never started it.

Now you know how David Cameron feels.