The recent violence on Capitol Hill

Philly_Q

poopot said:

it would appear that Pence took the wheel yesterday and according to some has been doing so for a few weeks...

in all of the decision making yesterday (according to cnn and the experts the rolled out) Trump was not consulted once... his aides forced him to tell folk to go home.

(snip - sorry!)

there were/are calls from all side for pence to use the 25th amendment and get shot of him now...

it would be shocking but not surprising if Biden becomes the 47th president after pence has a short spell.

Whenever I read about the possibility of Pence taking the reins I can't help imagining Trump enlisting the support of Kiefer Sutherland, Gerard Butler or Channing Tatum - maybe all three - and charging around the place doing everything he can to get back into "rightful" power.

ICBM

Grumpyrocker said:

chotu495 said:

I expect Hugo Boss are rubbing their hands together in anticipation of a spike in orders.

They did not design nazi uniforms. But the internet myth persists.

Correct, they didn't design them... they manufactured them. Specifically SS, SA, Wehrmacht, Waffen-SS, Hitler Youth and others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#Manufacturing_for_the_Nazi_Party

chotu495

Grumpyrocker said:

chotu495 said:

I expect Hugo Boss are rubbing their hands together in anticipation of a spike in orders.

They did not design nazi uniforms. But the internet myth persists.

Yes they did.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/15/business/hugo-boss-acknowledges-link-to-nazi-regime.html

VimFuego

mind you, porsche, BMW and mercedes designed and manufactured vehicles for the nazis and we don't label people who drive them.

oh wait, no, we do.

brooom

I'm trying to understand what the objective is here. Are they trying to turn people's attention away from anything bigger? Were they seriously thinking they might achieve some sort of change? Was is a display of "power" or stupidity. I mean I really don't understand.

axisus

brooom said:

I'm trying to understand what the objective is here. Are they trying to turn people's attention away from anything bigger? Were they seriously thinking they might achieve some sort of change? Was is a display of "power" or stupidity. I mean I really don't understand.

Clearly stupidity ...

RaymondLin

brooom said:

I'm trying to understand what the objective is here. Are they trying to turn people's attention away from anything bigger? Were they seriously thinking they might achieve some sort of change? Was is a display of "power" or stupidity. I mean I really don't understand.

They are trying to protect the constitution from people who are following it, except they are the one trying to "steal" it.

So utter stupid.

guitargeek62

chotu495 said:

Grumpyrocker said:

chotu495 said:

I expect Hugo Boss are rubbing their hands together in anticipation of a spike in orders.

They did not design nazi uniforms. But the internet myth persists.

Yes they did.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/15/business/hugo-boss-acknowledges-link-to-nazi-regime.html

That just acknowledges that they made them; the designers (of the SS uniforms at least) were Karl Diebitsch and Walter Heck.

brooom

RaymondLin said:

brooom said:

I'm trying to understand what the objective is here. Are they trying to turn people's attention away from anything bigger? Were they seriously thinking they might achieve some sort of change? Was is a display of "power" or stupidity. I mean I really don't understand.

They are trying to protect the constitution from people who are following it, except they are the one trying to "steal" it.

So utter stupid.

sure, but how are they trying to achieve that with what they did yesterday? How does invading the capitol help them achieve that, if it was only a matter of hours until they were removed?

octatonic

stickyfiddle

brooom said:

RaymondLin said:

brooom said:

I'm trying to understand what the objective is here. Are they trying to turn people's attention away from anything bigger? Were they seriously thinking they might achieve some sort of change? Was is a display of "power" or stupidity. I mean I really don't understand.

They are trying to protect the constitution from people who are following it, except they are the one trying to "steal" it.

So utter stupid.

sure, but how are they trying to achieve that with what they did yesterday? How does invading the capitol help them achieve that, if it was only a matter of hours until they were removed?

They have been brainwashed to believe that the establishment is evil and Trump is the one true honest man in government, and that they need to start a revolution to install Trump as rightful President-slash-god-emperor. 

It’s actually quite sad because so many of them have actually done nothing wrong, are going to have their world views ripped apart over the next couple of years (Obviously not the ones literally storming the Capitol yesterday.)

RaymondLin

brooom said:

RaymondLin said:

brooom said:

I'm trying to understand what the objective is here. Are they trying to turn people's attention away from anything bigger? Were they seriously thinking they might achieve some sort of change? Was is a display of "power" or stupidity. I mean I really don't understand.

They are trying to protect the constitution from people who are following it, except they are the one trying to "steal" it.

So utter stupid.

sure, but how are they trying to achieve that with what they did yesterday? How does invading the capitol help them achieve that, if it was only a matter of hours until they were removed?

They can't and won't by doing what they did yesterday, if they weren't stupid, they would know that.

VimFuego

octatonic said:

someone mentioned that earlier, I wasn't sure I could actually believe it. How morally disconnected must he be to wear something like that? And how morally disconnected must his compatriots be to tolerate it? What is malfunctioning in these people?

RaymondLin

the_jaffa

He wasn't the only one either.

There was another wearing a "6 Million Wasn't Enough" holocaust t-shirt for instance

Heartfeltdawn

digitalscream said:

chotu495 said:

I also noticed that a large proportion of the Republican party stood their ground after the rioters had been cleared out of the Federal building that they had smashed their way into. By “stood their ground”, I mean didn’t deviate from aligning with Trump’s position that he won the 2020 election. Because of this, I doubt the comparitive sanity of the 4th Section of the 25th Amendment will be deployed.

Is that true? All the Republican politicians I saw have condemned yesterday's actions, and the fact that all but seven of them voted to ratify the election result sort of indicates otherwise...?

Lower down the political food chain, there's still Trump support and there is enough there to get a new party going. 

Hattigol

Heartfeltdawn said:

Lower down the EVOLUTIONARY food chain, there's still Trump support and there is enough there to get a new party going. 

FTFY.

Heartfeltdawn

Nah, I won't put them down like that. It's too close to the deplorables line from HRC, an insult which backfired dreadfully in the same way that Emily Thornberry barracking white van man backfired. 

Feel free to dispense a torrent of abuse on Brendan O'Neill though. Even when it's a load of Trump supporters invading, somehow it's gotta be about the Dems. He is the contrarian prick personified and one of the few people I would like to come to a nasty end involving a hippopotamus. 

https://twitter.com/drphiliplee1/status/1347168702312177665

merlin

RaymondLin

The best way to put Trump down is using Trump's old tweets.