No mate, it's not a fender, it's a partscaster

nero1701

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/176383091140?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xPz0iYwYRRe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rLKa2M3xRK-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

OilCityPickups

nero1701 said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/176383091140?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=xPz0iYwYRRe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rLKa2M3xRK-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

To my mind you are correct :-)

HAL9000

Absolutely agree. It looks like he’s being honest in the full description, but the title is certainly misleading.

guitars4you

Disagree - First of all he is been very open in his product info - But read the heading again 

Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special SC Relics Nitro Body

He has not said it is a Fender or a Fender Nocaster - He has said it is a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special with a SC Relics Nitro Body- And it is indeed a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck with a SC Relics Nitro Body

If he said it was a Used 2019 Fender Custom Shop Nocaster then I can see where you are coming from 

I agree he could have put a + sign in the title so it reads Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special + SC Relics Nitro Body

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

prowla

guitars4you said:

Disagree - First of all he is been very open in his product info - But read the heading again 

Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special SC Relics Nitro Body

He has not said it is a Fender or a Fender Nocaster - He has said it is a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special with a SC Relics Nitro Body- And it is indeed a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck with a SC Relics Nitro Body

If he said it was a Used 2019 Fender Custom Shop Nocaster then I can see where you are coming from 

I agree he could have put a + sign in the title so it reads Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special + SC Relics Nitro Body

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Agreed re. the description.

However, the asking price is daft.

digitalscream

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

guitars4you

prowla said:

guitars4you said:

Disagree - First of all he is been very open in his product info - But read the heading again 

Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special SC Relics Nitro Body

He has not said it is a Fender or a Fender Nocaster - He has said it is a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special with a SC Relics Nitro Body- And it is indeed a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck with a SC Relics Nitro Body

If he said it was a Used 2019 Fender Custom Shop Nocaster then I can see where you are coming from 

I agree he could have put a + sign in the title so it reads Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special + SC Relics Nitro Body

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Agreed re. the description.

However, the asking price is daft.

I know you are big into your parts and builds etc so probably follow these prices more than me - But surely the neck alone is worth £1000 on a bad day - Probably worth £1200/1400 if it was for sale on its own on e-bay/reverb etc - A new relic Nocaster is £4.5K - More time/work spent on the neck than the body, but even if we accept £600 is parts/hardware, then that leaves £3900 for neck + body - split that in half, for easy figures and a new neck around £1950 is probably not far wrong 

As far as I know, Fender don't sell CS parts (they never use to anyway), for reasons of encouraging the fake/relic market place - Not sure how Stratosphere acquired this - Maybe they broke it down from a complete guitar. maybe they get the odd warranty, reject or otherwise parts from Fender 

Philly_Q

guitars4you said:

As far as I know, Fender don't sell CS parts (they never use to anyway), for reasons of encouraging the fake/relic market place - Not sure how Stratosphere acquired this - Maybe they broke it down from a complete guitar. maybe they get the odd warranty, reject or otherwise parts from Fender 

I'm pretty sure The Stratosphere buy complete guitars and part them out.  When you look at their new listings, if the neck's there the body will be too - sometimes with hardware or other parts, sometimes completely broken down.  I assume it's a profitable business model.

Snags

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

In this instance I'd argue it's just a matter of punctuation. Assuming the neck is a Fender neck, it's exactly what he says it is, but the lack of a comma, +, & or "with" makes the title ambiguous.

Unless the seller has form for being disingenuous I'd put this one down to incompetence rather than malice.

guitars4you

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

Fully appreciate you have to bat with a straight bat on FB classified etc - But in this case I don't see what he has said is wrong

It is a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special - No questions about that

It is a SC Relics Nitro Body - Again no question about that 

Put the 2 together and therefore it is a Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special SC Relics Nitro Body - Granted, as I said above add a plus sign so it reads Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special + SC Relics Nitro Body and that probably reads better and still correct - Maybe Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special + SC Relics Nitro Body Partscaster would be more 'correct'

If he said it was a Fender Custom Shop Nocaster used 2019 - Then I can see the issue with everyone calling it a fake and quite right - But the heading doesn't say that 

The neck is not fake - So Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special can't be fake either and he would have every right to list the neck alone for sale as Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special

Let's make it shorter as per the header within his description - Fender Custom Shop 51 Nocaster Neck on SC Relics Nitro Body - Nothing wrong with that - It is what he has said 

As I said above - I'd have an issue with a listing that said Fender Custom Shop Nocaster used 2019, which implies the whole guitar is a Fender - But Fender Custom Shop 51 Nocaster Neck on SC Relics Nitro Body is what he said it is, as is  Fender Custom Shop Telecaster 51 Nocaster Neck NAMM special SC Relics Nitro Body

Sorry but on this I don't see what is fake and what he has said and implies within text + header that is fake

But as I said above - You have to run the site with a straight bat so fully understand any seller would have to comply with your thought process/legal requirements etc and I'm sure we would all accept that  

guitars4you

Philly_Q said:

guitars4you said:

As far as I know, Fender don't sell CS parts (they never use to anyway), for reasons of encouraging the fake/relic market place - Not sure how Stratosphere acquired this - Maybe they broke it down from a complete guitar. maybe they get the odd warranty, reject or otherwise parts from Fender 

I'm pretty sure The Stratosphere buy complete guitars and part them out.  When you look at their new listings, if the neck's there the body will be too - sometimes with hardware or other parts, sometimes completely broken down.  I assume it's a profitable business model.

I've not looked at their site for a while - In many cases I believe you are right - Buy an EC or EJ Strat and split it into parts - But equally I have seen new parts on their site at times, often more noticeable as you can see 2/3/4 of the same neck etc - Often 'old stock' or Mk1 old stock before any changes/updates etc - Occasional rejects as well I dare say with subtle finish blemish and maybe even the odd warranty return

jellybelly

Who, in that guitar's past, has parted out a Custom Shop guitar?!?

Yorkie

So he's selling a neck and body. Strings and screws are there just for the picture.

chris78

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

It's absolutely not.
He's put a genuine cs neck onto the body of a different maker. Nothing illegal in that and it makes it clear what it is from both the pics and description.
You surely can't be suggesting he removes the logo from the genuine neck?

Funkfingers

jellybelly said:

Who, in that guitar's past, has parted out a Custom Shop guitar?

Philly_Q said:  

The Stratosphere buy complete guitars and part them out.  

There are a few such sellers on eBay UK, Reverb et cetera. Admittedly, few of them offer dismantled top-Dollar instruments.

digitalscream

Snags said:

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

In this instance I'd argue it's just a matter of punctuation. Assuming the neck is a Fender neck, it's exactly what he says it is, but the lack of a comma, +, & or "with" makes the title ambiguous.

Unless the seller has form for being disingenuous I'd put this one down to incompetence rather than malice.

Even if the comma was used, then it would have to be sold as a collection of unassembled parts in order to be legal.

guitars4you said:

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

Fully appreciate you have to bat with a straight bat on FB classified etc - But in this case I don't see what he has said is wrong

He hasn't said anything wrong - it's a guitar with a Fender logo on it, in the customary Fender place, but the guitar is not a Fender. It's the guitar itself which is wrong

As always, it's not this sale that's the problem, which is why his honesty or grammatical precision is not the problem - it's the next guy, who might sell it as an original Fender to some poor unsuspecting mark.

EDIT: And, of course, eBay are as criminally liable for the sale of a fake via their site as we would be if it occurred here.

Gilly

Does the CS logo on the back of the headstock not look a bit off? With the amount of fakes out there I wouldn’t touch that with a barge pole.

guitars4you

jellybelly said:

Who, in that guitar's past, has parted out a Custom Shop guitar?!?

Hard to fully sign off such a question 

Could have been stolen so broken into parts for sale so no longer recognisable or traceable as such 
As has been suggested elsewhere, then Stratosphere have broken down a guitar so as to enrich their parts business 

Im pretty certain it wouldn’t be a warranty claim as such - When I last had  a CS warranty claim on a body (delamination issue on the finish) - Fender would not send me the replacement body so we could carry out the work - We had to return the whole guitar to Fender UK in order for them to handle all the work and in due course handle what’s next ref the ‘faulty’ parts - Fender do not want such parts on the market place via their own front or back door 

SPECTRUM001

digitalscream said:

Snags said:

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

In this instance I'd argue it's just a matter of punctuation. Assuming the neck is a Fender neck, it's exactly what he says it is, but the lack of a comma, +, & or "with" makes the title ambiguous.

Unless the seller has form for being disingenuous I'd put this one down to incompetence rather than malice.

Even if the comma was used, then it would have to be sold as a collection of unassembled parts in order to be legal.

guitars4you said:

digitalscream said:

guitars4you said:

Agree an element of gray area, but essentially with his product info he is not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes

Not really. Under the law, it's a fake.

Fully appreciate you have to bat with a straight bat on FB classified etc - But in this case I don't see what he has said is wrong

He hasn't said anything wrong - it's a guitar with a Fender logo on it, in the customary Fender place, but the guitar is not a Fender. It's the guitar itself which is wrong

As always, it's not this sale that's the problem, which is why his honesty or grammatical precision is not the problem - it's the next guy, who might sell it as an original Fender to some poor unsuspecting mark.

EDIT: And, of course, eBay are as criminally liable for the sale of a fake via their site as we would be if it occurred here.

But he has not even implied it is a Fender Guitar - he has said it is "a" guitar (that he clarifies he put together himself) that comprises a Fender neck, SC Relics body, Fender pickups and quality pots etc.

If there is no mis-description used in the sale, the seller cannot be responsible for what someone else may do even having been given the appropriate information.

Surely ??

digitalscream

SPECTRUM001 said:

But he has not even implied it is a Fender Guitar - he has said it is "a" guitar (that he clarifies he put together himself) that comprises a Fender neck, SC Relics body, Fender pickups and quality pots etc.

If there is no mis-description used in the sale, the seller cannot be responsible for what someone else may do even having been given the appropriate information.

Surely ??

That's not how the law works. It's about the item, not the description - because, as I've already said, it's not just about this sale. The guitar itself could easily be sold as a real one by any subsequent owner.

This has been discussed endlessly on here, but the fact is that the law is unambiguous on this matter.

guitars4you

digitalscream said:

As always, it's not this sale that's the problem, which is why his honesty or grammatical precision is not the problem - it's the next guy, who might sell it as an original Fender to some poor unsuspecting mark.

EDIT: And, of course, eBay are as criminally liable for the sale of a fake via their site as we would be if it occurred here.

Agree with you on this (first paragraph mainly) - hope cutting off the rest of an earlier extended text is okay- Just wanted to home in on me agreeing with this key part of the equation