Line 6 Helix

guitargeek62

Drew_fx said:

So really.. for live shows.... I could just break my delay usage down to a single pedal. Probably a Memory Man style thing, with high feedback to get that milky quality... and add the RV5's Modulate setting to that, and basically just use that sound any time I want "atmosphere" ... and with the Helix, that can be just a single switch - rather than three of them.

Sounds fair, in a live env. you generally want a simpler/drier sound - I'd highly recommend the Strymon DIG though, the ADM tone on there is nice, dark, and fairly analogue-like, plus it's frikkin simple to dial in a synchronised second delay within the one pedal that way.

Drew_TNBD

guitargeek62 said:

Drew_fx said:

So really.. for live shows.... I could just break my delay usage down to a single pedal. Probably a Memory Man style thing, with high feedback to get that milky quality... and add the RV5's Modulate setting to that, and basically just use that sound any time I want "atmosphere" ... and with the Helix, that can be just a single switch - rather than three of them.

Sounds fair, in a live env. you generally want a simpler/drier sound - I'd highly recommend the Strymon DIG though, the ADM tone on there is nice, dark, and fairly analogue-like, plus it's frikkin simple to dial in a synchronised second delay within the one pedal that way.

I reckon the Adriatic Delay on the Helix could be the ticket. I didn't mean to give the impression that I was discounting the Helix. I'm about 75% sure I want to buy one.

Handsome_Chris

Drew_fx;778631" said:

Also the thing is, I've been chatting to Randomhandclaps who came to our last gig. I was curious whether he could even hear most of the finely crafted soundscape textural delays and reverbs, and the long and short of it was that no... it basically just sounded like a single delay and reverb. Maybe @Deijavoo @Handsome_Chris and @Bucket can chime in there.

So really.. for live shows.... I could just break my delay usage down to a single pedal. Probably a Memory Man style thing, with high feedback to get that milky quality... and add the RV5's Modulate setting to that, and basically just use that sound any time I want "atmosphere" ... and with the Helix, that can be just a single switch - rather than three of them.

When you crafted this stuff, did you take into account the effect the room what with throwing in the extra stuff 'n' all. It's basically sticking another reverb effect on top of your doings.

@Clarky could be the man to weigh in here, but my take on it is that my live sounds are very simple delay-wise compared to my headphone/studio/bedroom sounds, delay-wise.

monquixote

Drew_fx;778631" said:

Also the thing is, I've been chatting to Randomhandclaps who came to our last gig. I was curious whether he could even hear most of the finely crafted soundscape textural delays and reverbs, and the long and short of it was that no... it basically just sounded like a single delay and reverb. Maybe @Deijavoo @Handsome_Chris and @Bucket can chime in there.

So really.. for live shows.... I could just break my delay usage down to a single pedal. Probably a Memory Man style thing, with high feedback to get that milky quality... and add the RV5's Modulate setting to that, and basically just use that sound any time I want "atmosphere" ... and with the Helix, that can be just a single switch - rather than three of them.

That's how I ended up solving my tap dancing issues. I just accepted that subtlety in tone is not all that appreciable to a live audience.

Deijavoo

Drew_fx said:

Also the thing is, I've been chatting to Randomhandclaps who came to our last gig. I was curious whether he could even hear most of the finely crafted soundscape textural delays and reverbs, and the long and short of it was that no... it basically just sounded like a single delay and reverb. Maybe @Deijavoo @Handsome_Chris and @Bucket can chime in there.

So really.. for live shows.... I could just break my delay usage down to a single pedal. Probably a Memory Man style thing, with high feedback to get that milky quality... and add the RV5's Modulate setting to that, and basically just use that sound any time I want "atmosphere" ... and with the Helix, that can be just a single switch - rather than three of them.

I would normally agree that no you can't hear that stuff live. But for that gig I heard at least two different delay sounds (I think at least). One which is in that lead line in the first song, a 3 note repetition job and one that was like a standard tone you used on other clean parts. Maybe I'm confusing with your other guitarist though, maybe I listened to the record too much beforehand and could pick these things out.

Anyways, whichever way it is, I'm definitely in agreement that live it pretty much gets lost in translation.

Deijavoo

Also, was the reverb decay much longer on guitar when you were singing?

Clarky

I'd agree with the two statements above..

live and subtle are not great bedfellows..

not only because of the effect of being in a big room, but also due to the volume involved

I do all kinds of stuff studio that I'd not bother with live

for live I just go for the general tonal 'vibe' that's needed..

to be honest, I reckon that if you try to get too clever with fx live the volume and the room will conspire to turn it into a mess

Drew_TNBD

Deijavoo said:

Also, was the reverb decay much longer on guitar when you were singing?

It was actually yeah. Coz there are pretty big gaps in the chord progression, so I figured I'd fill it with some lush modulate reverb.

Digital_Igloo

Drew_fx said:

So as I understand it Digloo... you've got preset mode, stomp mode, and stompbox edit mode...

In preset mode, is the bottom row always dedicated to presets, or can you set them to be something else?

What I'm wondering is if you can have:

Stomp mode - 10 effects spread across the switches

Preset mode - top row assigned to effects, bottom row assigned to midi commands such as program changes

There are two primary modes and two extra modes:

PRESET—8 presets (the default), 4 presets on the bottom with 4 stomps on top, or 4 presets on the top with 4 stomps on bottom

STOMP—8 stomps (the default) or 10 stomps (removed BANK/PRESET UP/DOWN); each switch can do up to 8 things—block on/off, parameter control (with definable min/max per parameter, even reverse), or Command Center command (MIDI CC, CC Toggle, Bank/Prog [MSB/LSB/PC], MIDI Note, MMC, External Amp [Tip, Ring, or Tip+Ring], CV Out, or CV Toggle)

PEDAL EDIT—For editing presets with your feet while your hands remain on the guitar (hold FS6 [MODE] to engage)

LOOPER—For looping, of course (press stomp footswitch assigned to Looper, if any)

FS1 (BANK UP) and FS7 (BANK DOWN) can be switched to PRESET UP/PRESET DOWN. Change this from the global settings menu—or—hold FS1+FS7 for two seconds. Lots of shortcuts in this thing.

Drew_TNBD

Digital_Igloo said:

Drew_fx said:

So as I understand it Digloo... you've got preset mode, stomp mode, and stompbox edit mode...

In preset mode, is the bottom row always dedicated to presets, or can you set them to be something else?

What I'm wondering is if you can have:

Stomp mode - 10 effects spread across the switches

Preset mode - top row assigned to effects, bottom row assigned to midi commands such as program changes

There are two primary modes and two extra modes:

PRESET—8 presets (the default), 4 presets on the bottom with 4 stomps on top, or 4 presets on the top with 4 stomps on bottom

STOMP—8 stomps (the default) or 10 stomps (removed BANK/PRESET UP/DOWN); each switch can do up to 8 things—block on/off, parameter control (with definable min/max per parameter, even reverse), or Command Center command (MIDI CC, CC Toggle, Bank/Prog [MSB/LSB/PC], MIDI Note, MMC, External Amp [Tip, Ring, or Tip+Ring], CV Out, or CV Toggle)

PEDAL EDIT—For editing presets with your feet while your hands remain on the guitar (hold FS6 [MODE] to engage)

LOOPER—For looping, of course (press stomp footswitch assigned to Looper, if any)

FS1 (BANK UP) and FS7 (BANK DOWN) can be switched to PRESET UP/PRESET DOWN. Change this from the global settings menu—or—hold FS1+FS7 for two seconds. Lots of shortcuts in this thing.

Thanks for that Digloo. I'm hovering over the pre-order button right now!

Drew_TNBD

Pre-Ordered with Andertons just now.

welshboyo

Drew_fx said:

Pre-Ordered with Andertons just now.

Good Man...Welcome to the Pre-Order club

Strat_a_tat_tat

I assume no UK retailers are offering the sort of discounts that our US cousins are getting (15% according to various people on TGP)????

Drew_TNBD

Strat_a_tat_tat said:

I assume no UK retailers are offering the sort of discounts that our US cousins are getting (15% according to various people on TGP)????

Nah. UK gets fucked all the time when it comes to that stuff.

guitargeek62

Yeah it's a shame - I noticed Sweetwater were even offering 36mths at 0%... that's a crazy deal that I'm sure most people could justify!

Strat_a_tat_tat

Forget the 0% interest deal... I'd have been happy with the 15% discount USA dealers are offering (£160 off would bring the Helix down to a more manageable £910).  :x

sweepy

Going to be interesting to see if there are enough Helix's to fulfil demand, I might have to knock on the door in Milton Keynes

Strat_a_tat_tat

sweepy said:

Going to be interesting to see if there are enough Helix's to fulfil demand,

I'd guess in the short term there won't be enough... but longer term, there'll be loads.

mellowsun

I'll be picking one up for 600 quid on the classifieds in a month or two.

sweepy

I'm hoping for a trade price, nice to call in a favour now and again