Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Categories
- 241.6K All Categories
- 22 >> Start Here <<
- 12 New Members
- 8 FAQs
- 86.7K Gear
- 39.5K Guitar
- 3.4K Acoustics
- 1.3K Bass
- 14.6K Amps
- 17.2K FX
- 270 Digital & Modelling
- 765 Other Instruments
- 8.3K Making & Modding
- 421 Gear Reviews
- 107 Guitar Reviews
- 73 Amp Reviews
- 119 FX Reviews
- 87 Other Reviews
- 748 Made in the UK
- 974 Theory
- 1.8K Technique
- 2.1K Live
- 3.2K Studio & Recording
- 2.1K Making Music
- 218 Events
- 15 Guitar Show 2018
- 830 Plug My Stuff
- 105.2K Classifieds
- 41.1K Guitars £
- 2.8K Acoustics £
- 138 LH Guitars £
- 900 Basses £
- 10.5K Parts £
- 18.3K Amps £
- 34.1K FX £
- 2.8K Studio & Rec £
- 6.1K Misc £
- 465 Personnel
- 54.7K Chat
- 36.5K Off Topic
- 1.1K Tributes
- 6.6K Music
In this Discussion
Become a Subscriber!
Subscribe to our Patreon, and get image uploads with no ads on the site!
The singing thread
Base theme by DesignModo & ported to Powered by Vanilla by Chris Ireland, modified by the "theFB" team.
Comments
I have a fairly deep voice myself, but I sound really different when I sing.
See, knew it, I could tell a mile off. Ha Ha. I am a genius. I think I might get some lessons next year just for the crack of it to broaden my horizons. Only problem is, when I work, it's priced by the job and any extra hours of meaningless ranting on their part I absorb into my costs and end up working into the dark hours on other jobs to catch up, I suppose it's OK though as I gain a good relationship and free beer and things they don't want anymore, rather than put them on ebay.
I have the feeling though, that a vocal coach will be like a shrink, with a strictly time is money attitude and keep his stopwatch running whilst I express opinions like the one above and they probably won't accept free beer or old crap that I might be clearing out from the shed. I will endeavour to find one that does though.
Remember though, keep it above 96Hz otherwise you will run dry. Next time I go to the local grocers and see the teenage chick I'm gonna put on a falsetto, see where it gets me eh!
Keep going Sam - tis a marathon, not a sprint.
@Cabicular, first off thanks for posting your weaknesses, as I think that is in the spirit of the thread and I view you as one of the ones who can sing. lol.
For what it's worth I prefer your voice to your singers, but it remains pretty much the same throughout tonally. What are you struggling with? The fact that you voice sounds purer and more naïve, trying too hard etc.? That is potentially a good thing. I reckon you got more potential to be honest. Have you tried singing in different areas, like your throat, less nose, more nose resonance etc as well as controlling and varying your volume?
I'm no help at all, but I was trying to sing like Springsteen on Racing in the Streets, whilst struggling to sing in E3 which is near the top of my range and it came out like a kitten. Much easier to get his gruff emotional groans in A2, but then of course it sounds too low. So what I did is close my mouth, not move my lip at all and sing at the back of my throat/back of the roof of my mouth and even at the top of my range and struggling, it still sounds meaningful and emotional. That is just one thing I learnt by myself, there must be hundred of combinations of changing your tone.
Singing relatively slow melodies over single chords is hard innit. As it stands with your tone, I would probably switch off after a few songs, but I reckon you have potential to be genius. I'd just spend a few days on the toilet experimenting with tones and maybe slurring behind the beat a bit to make it more human and also practicing quick up and down changes with different sounds, that first song is hard man. I had to do months of that just to get to this stage and yes I am still fucking absolutely god damit awful.
BTW, does it get even more choppy if you sing in your accent? I liked the 'Doesn't' at the start of the first track when you let the mask slip a bit. It all sounds like it's coming from the front of your mouth which is good, but makes it sound a bit '80's Indie and naive. Is that what you mean? It doesn't have to all be full pelt and perfectly sung. Have you ever sat down with yourself and tried to imitate or analyse the noises others make?
You must have a similar range to Jimmy Barnes then. I think he kind of reverberates his throat. Yours sounds too much from the front and properly sung so it sounds too pure and the same.
Look at me criticising yous. Still, class that as a 'Punters' view.
BTW. How are you with the ladies?
Also, I don't want to tell you how not to sing because I don't know (Obviously), but your voice is the opposite of mine, yours is all out and sung properly, where as mine is down my throat and I'm actually trying to achieve what you obviously take for granted. It's almost like we are trying to achieve opposite things.
When you close your throat up, I suppose the worst is that Pee Wee Herman noise that comes out, but I guess your shouldn't try that as it's bad. I have to concentrate on chest and head a lot because I really can't hit many notes with my chest voice, but this has shown me the variation. When I hit a note that sounds too pure in the higher register or alternatively, too Pee Wee Herman, I concentrate on it to try and get it to match my other notes in tone but without closing or tensing up my throat. I would experiment with your mouth closed and with your nose and throat resonance and stuff and see what varied tones you can get.
However you do it, whether you experiment with your nose, throat, chest and head resonance or just sit down and try to mimic other people's spoken voices you should be able to get some variation which will result in sounding like there is more emotion coming through. You can make it sound a hell of a lot more manly, emotional, richer and deeper or gruff but without actually going deeper. You just got to mix it up a bit. At present it's sung very well but all sounds like it's sung from the same spot. Maybe, like me reading words from a songsheet, that is because you are concentrating so hard to mask your accent you don't think about it.
Hopefully Drew can give you some proper advice.
Ha Ha. I'II done it again chaps, another monstrositie de l'amateur.
I have discovered that I need to open my mouth when singing higher notes and relax and force more air through, although I am still struggling with finding a rich tone and rhythm, whilst reading lyrics to a song I learnt half an hour ago. I don't actually like Peral Jam that much, but I may check out some of their newer stuff as I may be able to ruin it quite effectively. I suppose the only thing I can do is forced vibrato. Yep, that is about it for now.
https://soundcloud.com/user360616451/pooflow
Yeah. I listened to all those examples.
Oh bollocks why can't I sing, it's so fucking depressing. I don't much like anyone else's voices either (YouTube) warriors, but I am like the lowest denominator. Everyone and his dog can sing reasonably well. I can't even get above A4 in Falsetto. Fed up with these low key mumblings, I wish I could just belt something out.
Has anyone else got any basic rough cut singing to post? I'm sick of listening to my own voice.
Get exploring dude!
I too am pretty depressed about my voice right now, so it's not just you!
Ha Ha. For one. You know when you go up notes like 'Call me' and 'Ba - by' on that and you tense up a bit and 3 times out of 10, trying to get some grunt, it sometimes comes out as 2% Pee Wee Herman as your throat tenses and closes up? And it's always the first phrase going up that does it, yet when you are more relaxed and repeat it you don't?
I do that 76% when I go up in pitch.. But as the same for you, it's just about control, or not knowing the song 3000%.
I've been working on the notes and parts I don't like (99.9%) and treating them like guitar parts and just practicing them like that, trying to get different tones and make it more fluid in tone, maybe singing the notes, maybe just two notes and then trying different things. Although it's much more like vocal exercises than singing, it really helps me to try and find different sounds and relax without straining and it's no different to trying to get the vibrato and feel right on a guitar passage or something really I guess. Well that's what I've been doing tonight. I don't talk a lot, so I have vast distances to travel before I even get to where you are.
Your voice just pops. But it's opened my eyes a bit practicing sometimes just two note changes to get different sounds and relax. For example that PooFlow above was awful, but now I can sing the two note start to each line of the verse slightly better with actual tone with projection without the bipolar croak speak. Like guitar though you have to repeat it a lot otherwise you fall back on bad habits.
For two though, you got the pitch and projection wired but it sounds a bit like you are singing with too much nose in that one, like you got a slight cold or histamine reaction to a food intolerance and that grating brightness may be the tone overall that is troubling you.
Can you put more on your chest or further back? Although that said it disappears from time to time and gets less so throughout and I think the presence and reverb actually amplifies it a bit to your detriment. However, the bloke Drew advised me to just now says it's the not the nose at all that makes that bright, slightly grating sound, it's the larynx tensing up and the best fix is a yawn to loosen it up and singing through that yawn in that deeper, more open space and feeling the laryngeal depth and singing through a more open throat to make it sound more natural, richer and more transparent. I know not if any of this is true or not, although I presume so.
You need to seek out vocal coaching a bit harder, it would be wasted on me, but I reckon you could develop a much darker, open and richer and fucking ace voice and a head start to loads of techniques.
Probably wasn't a good example as you were probably concentrating in the melody. You need to feel your laryngeal depth.
Don't let anyone else feel it though, that's not good, I mean, unless you enjoy it, I mean each to their own and that.
But, for example, you go to the dentist and he invites in all his male colleagues and explains that he is going to feel your laryngeal depth, don't try to question him, just run, run as fast as you can.
Have you tried singing and yawning though, it kind of worked for me...ish. there are two bits of tension, the pee wee herman artificial bits, which you can easily reach but may have the wrong technique for to make the grunt/growl and the generally nasal sound which is tense or constricted larynx apparently which is more evident when you sing lower, in which singing whilst yawning helps open it up...apparently. BTW, I have no idea what I am talking about, obviously.
I was searching for male singers who have a massive oversize lujmpy Adams apple like I do and I found one, the bloke out of Nickleback and strangely, I can sing all their songs, which isn't hard, when I am pissed (I don't own any though). Nickleback eh, how more depressing can you get. Nickleback..Jeez.
Your post made me try singing that song and it sounded like a sexual assault in progress. "WHERED YOU THINK YOURE GOING BABY"