We're moving. Mad, or what?

m_c

I don't know about south of the border, but in Scotland, the local council has a requirement to provide facilities for the disposal of asbestos for private individuals.

My old boss was facing a bill of several thousand pounds for a company to come in and remove the roof from his old garage, until somebody mentioned that if he done it himself, the council had to arrange disposal. The exact requirements vary between councils, but all he had to do was bag it up, and the council had a contractor collect it.

Unsurprisingly, none of the companies who quoted for the work mentioned if he removed it himself, he could it disposed of for free.

MtB

As long as the asbestos roofing isn't flakey / breaking up you may be able to paint over it to "seal" it, and as long as no one is likely to bump into it you should still be able to use the area underneath - depending on how "active" the area will be.

I had a asbestos report done last year for a building at work and this was how one of the roofing areas was recommended to be treated. 

joeyowen

I love this thread, and hope you keep us updated over the coming years

you are doing something many of us dream of!

Jalapeno

TTony said:

And in other news ...
Bearing in mind that the main reason we started this process was because Mrs TT needed some land.  One thing led to another, and we ended up with this being the preferred option for various reasons other than the land aspect.  I had a call today from someone in the village offering her a paddock that would just about meet the original requirement ... that was after we'd asked, asked again, and asked a final time!!

This mean it's all off ?

WezV

m_c said:

I don't know about south of the border, but in Scotland, the local council has a requirement to provide facilities for the disposal of asbestos for private individuals.

My old boss was facing a bill of several thousand pounds for a company to come in and remove the roof from his old garage, until somebody mentioned that if he done it himself, the council had to arrange disposal. The exact requirements vary between councils, but all he had to do was bag it up, and the council had a contractor collect it.

Unsurprisingly, none of the companies who quoted for the work mentioned if he removed it himself, he could it disposed of for free.

But removing it safely is half the battle before you even think about disposal.   Best bet  might be  to at someone to remove it safely before pushing for free disposal.


however, as mentioned above, the focus does seem to be on management rather than removal these days.  If Tony was to use the building for commercial purposes he would need an asbestos containing material report which covers where it is and how it's being managed. Might even need it in a private building if the contractors are doing intrusive work and insist on it

TTony

Jalapeno said:

TTony said:

And in other news ...
Bearing in mind that the main reason we started this process was because Mrs TT needed some land.  One thing led to another, and we ended up with this being the preferred option for various reasons other than the land aspect.  I had a call today from someone in the village offering her a paddock that would just about meet the original requirement ... that was after we'd asked, asked again, and asked a final time!!

This mean it's all off ?

Not in itself.

We had a couple of key events that influence the go/no-go decision.

The first was the survey.  That's come back with a nice long to-do list, but was more or less as expected.

The second is the response from the Planning Dept.  It's only pre-application advice at this stage. If they say (broadly) OK to what we want to do, then it's a go.  If they say (broadly) not-OK, then it's more likely a no-go.

The availability of land locally influences the go/no-go, because it gives us a fallback option.  But it would definitely be a fallback option given how much potential the other place has to (a) make us some money and (b) give us a lot of very interesting experiences ...

TTony

WezV said:

m_c said:

I don't know about south of the border, but in Scotland, the local council has a requirement to provide facilities for the disposal of asbestos for private individuals.

My old boss was facing a bill of several thousand pounds for a company to come in and remove the roof from his old garage, until somebody mentioned that if he done it himself, the council had to arrange disposal. The exact requirements vary between councils, but all he had to do was bag it up, and the council had a contractor collect it.

Unsurprisingly, none of the companies who quoted for the work mentioned if he removed it himself, he could it disposed of for free.

But removing it safely is half the battle before you even think about disposal.   Best bet  might be  to at someone to remove it safely before pushing for free disposal.


however, as mentioned above, the focus does seem to be on management rather than removal these days.  If Tony was to use the building for commercial purposes he would need an asbestos containing material report which covers where it is and how it's being managed. Might even need it in a private building if the contractors are doing intrusive work and insist on it

The other relevant fact here is that there's another 2 chicken sheds of the same construction close by.  Those have PP for conversion into a bungalow.

There'd probably be an opportunity to piggy back on the removal of those to get ours removed.

Alternatively, we might want to retain the existing structure for future use - it's a lot easier to get PP for conversion of a redundant building than for erection of a new building ... But I need to check the precise rules for that.

MtB

If asbestos is removed it HAS to be done by a registered contractor. 

duotone

Looks fantastic, congratulations!

ESBlonde

If you are thinking chickens, then also think ducks and geese. Ducks create less mess than scratching chickens in the flower beds if free range and still eat slugs etc. Geese make good loud security devices!
All this and free eggs.
I know this is a way down your priorities but angliawildfoul.co.uk are very local  and specialise in all feathered stock and have a decent rep.

Jalapeno

Even being less than ambitious - there's a lot of scope for creating industrial units to let (even if it is for vintage car storage).

thomasross20

Yo guys, do you want to come to my "property" for drinks tonight?

barry2tone

Best of luck with all that!  

20 years, the roof will soon need attention. The Master Thatchers might be the place to look for quality materials and workmanship, but maybe a  wait for availability.

But perhaps your grandma already extracts the sac from the ovum?

TTony

barry2tone said:

20 years, the roof will soon need attention. 

Its reed, so it has a slightly longer lifespan (50-60 years, apparently).

But the best guess is that it's 70 years old.  Thatching quote received.  Fortunately, we were sitting down.

impmann

Gorgeous project, mate. Good luck with it.

We've just moved from a 1960s build house with *everything* except the downstairs loo updated to a house built in 1908 with some work done to a high standard and some... not so. However, the house is 100% nicer place to be.

TTony

Sense (I think) has prevailed.

The bill for the remedial works, plus the extension hit £400k.  That took the total cost close to £1m.  You can buy some nice places in Norfolk for £1m - ready made!

Most of the details would need negotiating with the listings officer before being approved, so there was lots of upside risk in the cost, and lots of delay risk in the project timescale.  

The idea of living in a damp & draughty building site for 2 years (plus delay risk) was just about OK, as long as I focused on the end result.  But it wouldn't be a "home" for those 2 years, and living would be pretty uncomfortable for a while, given that there was no real bathroom, the septic tank was condemned and the thatch really needed immediate (ie pre-winter weather) patching, just to increase the odds of the roof surviving until the thatcher could re-roof it in 2 years time.  Oh, and it needed a new heating system.

But the final straw was the legalities involved in splitting the overall farm into the two separate lots that were being sold separately and the intransigence of the estate agents and people who were buying the other part which was stretching out the timescale, and would have prevented the thatch being sorted pre-winter.  

The risk from the legalities was that we'd not be able to realise some of the potential gains, which we needed to do to help offset the up-up-and-away costs.


So, we're not moving.  There.

ESBlonde

Seems obvious when you put it like that. 
The next one will be better and you will be wiser for the experience. Good luck Ttony 

TTony

ESBlonde said:

The next one will be better and you will be wiser for the experience. Good luck Ttony 

That is for sure.  We know where we're going.

monquixote

Oh you tease!

TTony

monquixote said:

Oh you tease!

Well, you're not teased.