New Fender Pro Jazzmaster/Jaguar/Stratocaster/Telecaster

Babones

blueskunk

Strat sounds awesome. 

stickyfiddle

Why did the Jazz/Jag guy assume we just want to use those guitars to make weird noises rather than music?

jellybelly

stickyfiddle said:

Why did the Jazz/Jag guy assume we just want to use those guitars to make weird noises rather than music?

Hmm he definitely does 'jazz'!  They look interesting but the Jazzmaster didn't sound like a Jazzmaster to me. Could just be YouTube...

Loobs

stickyfiddle said:

Why did the Jazz/Jag guy assume we just want to use those guitars to make weird noises rather than music?

What is your definition of 'music'? Do you mean that he played something a little more left-field? I would assume most offset players aren't playing classic rock or blues. 

Nick Reinhart is awesome. So is his band, Tera Melos. 

brojangles

Loobs said:

stickyfiddle said:

Why did the Jazz/Jag guy assume we just want to use those guitars to make weird noises rather than music?

What is your definition of 'music'? Do you mean that he played something a little more left-field? I would assume most offset players aren't playing classic rock or blues. 

Yes, I watched the video after reading that comment expecting a load of weird noises and came away disappointed.

TheMarlin

This looks like my ideal Jazzmaster!!

stickyfiddle

brojangles said:

Loobs said:

stickyfiddle said:

Why did the Jazz/Jag guy assume we just want to use those guitars to make weird noises rather than music?

What is your definition of 'music'? Do you mean that he played something a little more left-field? I would assume most offset players aren't playing classic rock or blues. 

Yes, I watched the video after reading that comment expecting a load of weird noises and came away disappointed.

Ok, it's not like he went all Sonic Youth with it, but compared to the Tele demo I just felt like most of what I was hearing was the JM's vibrato and the amp's reverb.

On second watch, it's maybe not as bad as I remember. I've had a long week....

TTBZ

blueskunk said:

Strat sounds awesome. 

Yep, and I dont normally like strats that much. Nice colour as well.

stickyfiddle

Having watched all the videos again, they all look good. The Strat appears to be the old US Standard with a new neck profile, with that bridge (and 3 saddles!) the Tele looks fantastic.

impmann

Hmmm, is it just me or does the Jazzmaster/Jaguar vid's over use of the trem seem to be covering up for some fairly nasty out-of-tuneness?????

I'd also echo the comments about not really hearing the guitars - too much wang bar, too much talk and not enough playing... the vast majority of Offset players don't play like that, so why do all vids seem to show them being played on the trem. It ends up sounding dreadful - much like someone who doesn't understand how to play with a slide, but may know half a dozen licks...

Interesting guitars, though.

lasermonkey

The more I look at the JM and Jag, the less I like them. I can't help but think that Fender don't understand the offset fanbase at all.

dindude

I thought the JM /Jag demos were very poor, just the sort of plinky plonky crap that gives offsets a bad name, no one in there right mind would see that demo and think "I must have that awesome sounding guitar" where's all that delicious cutting overdrive that takes full advantage off the unique overtones.

hubobulous

What sold the offsets to me was the clear ability for them to allow the player to bend with frets that play like buttah. I mean. 2017 could unleash a whole new style of music with that flexibility.

Alas, I sense the pointless clichés next year may well be the same.

Other than that, the guitars could be interesting :-)

MattFGBI

stickyfiddle said:

Having watched all the videos again, they all look good. The Strat appears to be the old US Standard with a new neck profile, with that bridge (and 3 saddles!) the Tele looks fantastic.

Compared to the US Standard the American Pro Strat has a new neck profile, new pickups, push-in trem arm, new frets, new case & a treble bleep cap. It also comes as HH now to. 

meltedbuzzbox

MattFGBI said:

stickyfiddle said:

Having watched all the videos again, they all look good. The Strat appears to be the old US Standard with a new neck profile, with that bridge (and 3 saddles!) the Tele looks fantastic.

Compared to the US Standard the American Pro Strat has a new neck profile, new pickups, push-in trem arm, new frets, new case & a treble bleep cap. It also comes as HH now to. 

thats great but why can Fender still not make a proper Jazzmaster?
Why do you get it so wrong year after year?

lasermonkey

^Yarp.

hubobulous

meltedbuzzbox said:

MattFGBI said:

stickyfiddle said:

Having watched all the videos again, they all look good. The Strat appears to be the old US Standard with a new neck profile, with that bridge (and 3 saddles!) the Tele looks fantastic.

Compared to the US Standard the American Pro Strat has a new neck profile, new pickups, push-in trem arm, new frets, new case & a treble bleep cap. It also comes as HH now to. 

thats great but why can Fender still not make a proper Jazzmaster?
Why do you get it so wrong year after year?

Just wondering what you'd change? I'm not very familiar with offsets, so genuine question.

jellybelly

meltedbuzzbox said:

MattFGBI said:

stickyfiddle said:

Having watched all the videos again, they all look good. The Strat appears to be the old US Standard with a new neck profile, with that bridge (and 3 saddles!) the Tele looks fantastic.

Compared to the US Standard the American Pro Strat has a new neck profile, new pickups, push-in trem arm, new frets, new case & a treble bleep cap. It also comes as HH now to. 

thats great but why can Fender still not make a proper Jazzmaster?
Why do you get it so wrong year after year?

To be fair the JM isn't that far off - if they just put the switch where it was supposed to go it'd be fine, I'm sure. 

The jag has the 4-way switching everyone like in the Marruar but the upper control seems like an afterthought- a plain upper control plate would have been fine. 

The Marr/staytrem style push in Trem arm would have been preferable- if the screw in one is the same as my Classic Player unit there is a bit too much play in the mechanism to be ideal but worked fine. 

Im not sure how I feel about maple necks but some cool colours. Pickups are unknown quantities - I hope I was wrong when I suggested the JM didn't sound a lot like a Jazzmaster. The jag sounded good though. 

stickyfiddle

@MattFGBI fair enough. TBH I didn't mean my "just the old US standard" as a knock at all, I meant it much more as a "this is the replacement for that model". The new spec looks great. 

Though i do enjoy how adding a pop-in arm is an upgrade on the strat but a screw-in is the upgrade for the JM/jag