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what action would you want a policeman to take when hit or when someone tries to start a fight with them?
they were pointing their fingers in the policeman's face, challenging him, and refusing to follow instructions. I have seen plenty of adults arrested for that. If they were 14, should they be immune to following instructions? Were the police in less danger from a 14 year old than a 16 year old?
Indeed. Four years of healthcare (read four years of de-escalation) and I've seen brilliant and talented people lose their rag, thankfully never coming to blows. Sometimes it's just a really, really bad day.
It does not excuse the behavior of the police here but it could explain it. We know there are fewer police on the streets. These guys could be incredibly stressed, sitting at breaking point for long periods of time.
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I've looked online, and cannot find any info about the context or location
The video starts at the point where the crowd have already started confronting the police, the PC talking to them is having no effect when issuing commands to disperse, what would have happened next without intervention? I've seen this at demos, a bigger crowd gathers, guys at the back start throwing rocks at the police, people get seriously hurt
but this doesn't look like a bunch of peaceful protesters to me, it's a large group of belligerent teenagers
http://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/15313569.Controversial_arrest_video_sparks_police_investigation/
thanks, here's the important part:
so someone's in hospital, ages of those arrested are 15-34, not all 14 year olds
and video evidence will be presented
but many are happy to make their own mind up about what had happened here based on a video selected by the friends of the arrested
this was all over facebook
supposedly:
"Teenage GANG MEMBER Tries To TALK SH*T To A 54 Year Old GROWN MAN On The Subway . . . And The GROWN MAN Gives Him A PAINFUL LESSON!! (Did He GO TO FAR With It THO??)"
the true story, which can be found easily, it that 3 teenagers were being annoying, and this massive guy started slapping them round, then went back to do more
Eventually a small guy in his late 40s stood up to ask him to lay off (or something), did not threaten the much bigger man at all.
The big guy went back a few times, and beat him up - broken jaw, etc, etc
The big guy was convicted of GBH
but most internet folk believe that the little guy was a sassy teenager who got a little slap
the teenagers weren't even on this video
The facebook version of this cuts off after the beatings, which removes the voice of the victim, and the continuing aggressive behaviour of the perp
This happened the other week in a crowded park in Belfast. The girl beating people up is 17 years old and the guy with her is 25.
@Legionreturns how would you have dealt with this? What specifically would you have done to de-escalate this situation?
What SHOULD have happened is for the officer in question to come over and assist his colleague in asking the kids to step away and calm the situation.
As it was, even though the kids were being challenging and wouldn't step back, that copper simply ignited the situation, REGARDLESS of what the background/context was beforehand.
As for your evidence, it's right there on the clip.
Could the police have handled it better? Probably.
Should the kids have been acting in that way? No. When asked to disperse they didn't. They reacted very badly and do not appear to have been ready to discuss this over an ice cream or anything like that.
I would like to know what brought the situation to this state of affairs. Why were they asked to disperse, what had they been doing?
It may be a hackneyed saying but in my day nobody would have dared speak to a police officer like that at that age.
When the PC ran in, what was happening to the right of the camera?
was the PC being threatened? The mob sounded pretty threatening
You don't know. What was happening to the right of the camera? You don't know
You don't know if he had orders to step in, you don't know if he'd just come from the woman who had been assaulted and was on her way to hospital, but you are happy to make these judgements on what the police SHOULD have done without knowing any of it
Who was standing in the park, shouting and causing a disturbance?
Whose job is it to act when large groups start getting aggressive?
I've seen no evidence of unreasonable force at all in this video
Let's return to this when the videos from the police body cameras have been used as evidence
I would have waited for that in the first place before forming an opinion, but many are keen to pass judgement based one clip of video that simply shows the police breaking up an angry mob after an arrest
https://www.facebook.com/max.vierling.7/videos/vb.100002872764325/1128118213960593