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I worked in Texas for a while and there's a movement down there to breakaway.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
Even if it did come to that, the US would be embroiled in an internal conflict for years...the end result of that would most likely just be that they don't expend so much effort destabilising the rest of the world.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
Watts riots. LA riots, then another one just about to happen when they acquitted OJ Simpson. Here we are, in 2017, year after America had their first black president....
They would need an overwhelming majority though. If they had a referendum and it was 52-48 like the Brexit vote then I couldn't see them leaving.
With the black and Hispanic population in the Southern States, I don't see any vote to leave ever getting the overwhelming majority that would be needed though.
That means that the only way to do it would be to break the law and do it by paramilitary force.
Saying there is extremists on both sides is Trump's cop out, and serves to embolden the far right.
It saddens me that there seems to be some sort of implicit sympathy for the far right by some forum members here.
That said, they still exist and there must be a reason for this. As such, a willingness to examine both sides of an argument and to better understand why these extremists exist I don't think is necessarily implicit sympathy, but rather that taking a detached, academic view on the matter might help people learn.
Trump, on the other hand, is an inarticulate, incompetent twat harbouring no-doubt suspect political views and he's not helping anything at all.
I wonder if this counts as a "point for you"
Give me a fuckin break...
If someone is talking nonsense about being replaced by Jews etc. how do you meet them in the middle.
I agree there probably is a middle ground on the economic and social concerns that give these kind of beliefs Oxygen, but how do you meet someone this disturbed in the middle?
I'm sure nobody would object.
Change the law. Laws change all the time.
I suspect that it would require a change to the US Constitution and getting the two thirds majority to do that that would not be simple. It would require the likes of California, and the States of the North East, to want rid of the Trump voting States as much as the Southern States want to leave. While it is highly unlikely to happen in reality, it is theoretically possible and to say there is no legal way it can happen isn't correct.
If the Texas (or any other) State legislature passed a bill on a leave referendum, any legal idiocies to strike it down would cause mayhem that would make Charlottesville seem like a Sunday School Picnic. At that point, I imagine that amending the constitution to defuse the situation might be regarded as a possible solution in Washington.
As I said above, given the sizeable black and Hispanic populations in large parts of the South, it's highly unlikely to actually happen as I can't see them voting to secede. Yes, there will be some black and Hispanics who don't like some of the Supreme Court rulings that have been imposed on them against their religious beliefs, but I don't think that would be enough to swing any vote. No state legislature would even try unless they believed that they had a majority on their side, which I don't think will happen.
Then again, a year ago I never thought that Corbyn had any chance of being PM. That doesn't look so impossible now.
The ability to turn a blind eye to our own cause's misdeeds powers sectarian violence all over the world.
Then you get the problem that well educated, centrist or left/right of centre teacher is less likely to move to a state with a very right wing agenda. So within a right wing state the far right might be tollerated so they think they are validated.
It saddens me that you lack the critical skills to look at this situation in an objective manner. Analysing the situation does not equate to sympathy for the far right. And if you force such people underground, you only make them stronger. I think you might be potentially a very dangerous person Mr. mellowsun.
I'll let Tim Pool finish for me:
Well the middle ground is not tearing down a significant historical statue under the false premise of it being an icon of racism and oppression. That's the middle ground. The extremist positions are that the statue is a symbol of patriotism, or that the statue is a symbol of hate and racism.
Not everyone there protesting against the removal of the statue was a KKK, Nazi (neo or otherwise), Trump supporter, or member of the alt-right.
When you group people together and rob them of their individuality, it gives you enough of a reason to rob them of their humanity. Which is going on on both sides from what I've seen.