Brexit to be triggered tomorrow - what if the severance deal is a bad one for the UK?

Bidley

ICBM said:

Heartfeltdawn said:

Lots of Leavers are happy that we're leaving an organisation full of twunts so we can have our own twunts fucking things up instead.

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that the best thing about leaving the EU is that in a couple of years...

We'll all be dead by then.

Bucket

Heartfeltdawn said:

Clarky said:

yes… in so many ways..
like how everyone that wanted this so badly will not end up getting anything like what they thought they'd get..
it looks to me that from all sides, UK and EU, everything will become something less..
more so that if the shock waves of Brexit trigger meaningful reform the UK won't be a part of it..
but then without Brexit the EU would continue getting worse and more bullshitty
and that the poorest areas of the UK that voted out benefitted most from EU handouts..
but when life gets worse for them they will at least still be able to blame immigration, cos that ain't gonna change one bit..

also funny that Cameron took a gamble and lost.. and so will be remembered as being a screw up..
and that Juncker was such an arrogant dick, certain that the UK would remain in the union that he thought it'd be ok to insult the British people with his worthless reforms and so have Cameron go tell the UK what an amazing job he'd done..
and now the EU is going through it's most difficult times ever.. all on Juncker's watch..

a sensible and amicable divorce never happens when there are enormous piles of cash at stake
both sides caused this mess
both sides will make a huge political and economic mess of it
and when it's all done, both sides will come out of it badly
and all the tax payers on both sides of the channel will pick up the tab..

apart from the paying for this mess bit.. it is pretty funny in a black comedy sort of way

We're in an era of failure. 

A leading party helmed by a woman immensely keen on human rights and squishing them who turned out to be the least odious of all the leadership choices. Her Foreign Secretary arguably faced the greatest humiliation of anyone in the referendum fallout. Cameron made mistakes but he can point to two election victories, one outright against the odds.

They face off against an Opposition party generously described as shambolic and more accurately described as possessing all the rigidity of a 112 year old panda with no Viagra prescription. 

Lurking around is a faceless bloke running the party that was in coalition 7 years ago. His party is now so anonymous that 50% of its elected members feature as Pointless answers in the final round of an episode this week. 

Lurking around even further is a bloke who got miffed at his party's only MP for mocking his potential for a peerage. This bloke has never won a Parliamentary election, has spent years picking up an EU cheque for doing not much, and his party now has no Members in Parliament. 

Lots of Remainers are unhappy that we're leaving an organisation full of twunts. 

Lots of Leavers are happy that we're leaving an organisation full of twunts so we can have our own twunts fucking things up instead. 

Fuck it. I'm off down the pub. 

I agree with all of this - and I also agree that saying "Fuck it, I'm off down the pub" is really the best way of dealing with it, because I can't even begin to comprehend just how fucked everything is now, and how much more fucked it will get in the near future. I still hate it, and I'm still fucking irritated that my future is going to be even more difficult and frustrating than it already was, because of something I voted passionately against, but there's nothing to be done about it.

marantz1300

The referendum was about twunts in the twunt party settling their internal euro sceptic civil war.

The twunt in charge gambled and it backfired .

the twunts  in the media supported the leavetard twunts and  thick twunts believed their bollocks and voted for them.

the twunt in charge now  did an about turn and supported the leavetard twunts.

no twunt has a clue  or a plan.

the twunts in thw EU are now in control and about to make life difficult for all twunts every where. 

quarky

Bucket said:

I agree with all of this - and I also agree that saying "Fuck it, I'm off down the pub" is really the best way of dealing with it, because I can't even begin to comprehend just how fucked everything is now, and how much more fucked it will get in the near future. I still hate it, and I'm still fucking irritated that my future is going to be even more difficult and frustrating than it already was, because of something I voted passionately against, but there's nothing to be done about it.

“Nothing is burdensome if taken lightly, and nothing need arouse one's irritation so long as one doesn't make it bigger than it is by getting irritated.”

fretmeister

Just seen on twitter.

PM forgot to mention Gibraltar in the A50 notice, and Spain have just announced they'll be vetoing anything to do with Gibraltar.

Couldnt get laid in a brothel.

quarky

Gibraltar is a BOT, does it need to be specifically mentioned?

The EU gave Spain a veto on any agreement that involves GIbralter *after* Brexit. Just shows, we never should have joined in the first place, or left a long time ago. Anything else is staying in case your spouse hits you again..

AliGorie

ICBM

fretmeister said:

Just seen on twitter.

PM forgot to mention Gibraltar in the A50 notice, and Spain have just announced they'll be vetoing anything to do with Gibraltar.

Couldnt get laid in a brothel.

I wonder how bad it would have to get before the Gibraltarians think they'd actually be *better* off agreeing to joint sovereignty?

Because one thing is for sure, Westminster doesn't give a shit about them. They also voted by 96% to 4% to Remain.

quarky

ICBM said:

Because one thing is for sure, Westminster doesn't give a shit about them. They also voted by 96% to 4% to Remain.

I am sure they will remember the Spanish incursions and border chaos and know who cares more.

EDIT: Interestingly, the free movement of goods doesn't apply to Gibraltar apparently. Yet another example of EUs "no cherry picking" farce. They only invoke that when it suits them.

ICBM

quarky said:

I am sure they will remember the Spanish incursions and border chaos and know who cares more.

Spain cares all right… just in the wrong way - they're obsessed by it. The question is what mileage they will try to make of it.

Evilmags

ICBM said:

quarky said:

I am sure they will remember the Spanish incursions and border chaos and know who cares more.

Spain cares all right… just in the wrong way - they're obsessed by it. The question is what mileage they will try to make of it.

The PP (catholic party, heirs to Franco) care about it. The rest tend to act more civilised. If the EU chooses to behave badly, the UK just threatens to lift it's security protection. As only France has an army worth dealing with they will soon see sense. They have freeloaded off the UK and US for many years. 

Bucket

quarky said:

Bucket said:

I agree with all of this - and I also agree that saying "Fuck it, I'm off down the pub" is really the best way of dealing with it, because I can't even begin to comprehend just how fucked everything is now, and how much more fucked it will get in the near future. I still hate it, and I'm still fucking irritated that my future is going to be even more difficult and frustrating than it already was, because of something I voted passionately against, but there's nothing to be done about it.

“Nothing is burdensome if taken lightly, and nothing need arouse one's irritation so long as one doesn't make it bigger than it is by getting irritated.”

That's nice.

So I just won't get irritated about the damage being wrought upon the entire country, not least on my own specific plans and those of others around me, just because 52% of 72% of the UK's population decided what we really need is a giant leap into the unknown, for no real benefit other than getting our bendy bananas back. And about the fact that I did all I personally could to stop it happening, but it didn't work and now I must just accept it. Oh, about that:

It pisses me off when Theresa May says things like "Now is the time to unite and come together, no matter how we voted." Fuck off! I didn't cause this fucking mess, why should I help you clean it all up? I actively did not want this to happen, and if the times ahead are difficult then it's absolutely nothing to do with me. But now apparently the burden is mine to bear too.

This shouldn't have even been a referendum. The general public are too ill-informed, ignorant and spiteful to make a decision as momentous as this, about a process as nuanced as this.

quarky

What damage? Is there where we hear about the decades of doom and gloom again?

quarky

Jesus, forget this history of lethargic growth, the problems with the Euro, massive levels of unemployment in the southern EU states, Greece, and everything else. Just look at the EU response over the past couple of days. Get irritated because we were in that toxic "club" in the first place.

littlegreenman

quarky said:

What damage? Is there where we hear about the decades of doom and gloom again?

N'ah, this is where we hear about the sunshines and lollipops that are surely about to rain down once we are "free" of the tyranny of Brussels.....


...or something

quarky

I haven't read anything about that, but I have read Bucket's (and others) forecasts, about "how fucked everything is now".

Bucket

quarky said:

I haven't read anything about that, but I have read Bucket's (and others) forecasts, about "how fucked everything is now".

Are you denying we are in a worse place economically than we were this time last year, and that everything is only going to get worse for the time being?

Who knows, in 20 years' time maybe we'll have recovered. But frankly I can't see this ending well for us in the short term, at the very least. It seems unlikely the EU will be kind to us at the negotiating table, and what other trade deals have we been offered recently? Unless May's plan is to go cap in hand to Trump and do whatever he asks, which I'm sure will be just fine.

Bucket

I'd rather be part of Project Fear than Project Lies, followed by Project Leap Into the Unknown and then Project Blind Optimism in the Face of Mounting Evidence to the Contrary.

quarky

Put it this way, I would rather deal with a shit neighbour, than chronic instability in my own family.

and I thought we just had good growth figures, and *very* good employment figures. Sure those are all lies though

Bucket

quarky said:

and I thought we just had good growth figures, and *very* good employment figures. Sure those are all lies though

Fair enough, I bet they'd be better figures if we hadn't just done this though.