Why is Hendrix so revered amongst guitarists?

Evilmags

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

EricTheWeary

Evilmags said:

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

...not sure what's wrong with glasses...
:-B

On a long car journey I listened to a radio documentary about Hank and they played some live stuff ( from the early 60's I think) and he was much bluesier and rawer live than on record at that time - the odd thing being that Hank hadn't really heard much blues up to that point and had sort of extracted the DNA of blues out of rock'n'roll. But,no, not exactly Hendrix ( and as I said about 30 pages ago on this discussion Hank didn't like Hendrix and wouldn't have thanked anyone for the comparison).  

Fretwired

EricTheWeary said:

Evilmags said:

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

...not sure what's wrong with glasses...
:-B

On a long car journey I listened to a radio documentary about Hank and they played some live stuff ( from the early 60's I think) and he was much bluesier and rawer live than on record at that time - the odd thing being that Hank hadn't really heard much blues up to that point and had sort of extracted the DNA of blues out of rock'n'roll. But,no, not exactly Hendrix ( and as I said about 30 pages ago on this discussion Hank didn't like Hendrix and wouldn't have thanked anyone for the comparison).  

Back in the 70s my girlfriend at the time took me to a Cliff Richard concert. The first part had Hank and the Shadows doing their stuff and then Cliff joined them for some numbers and then Cliff did his own stuff with his band. At the time Cliff had moved into rock - Tommy Vance famously played a Cliff track on the Friday Rock Show.

Hank joined Cliff's band for a couple of numbers and I've never seen a man so out of his depth. I think Cliff's guitarist was Chris Spedding - he had a hard rock blusey tone. I felt sorry for Hank. So no Hank didn't have an ounce of rock or blues in him.

Drew_TNBD

Evilmags said:

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

It is scary how often we agree these days. Fuck. Maybe I'm getting old.

matt1973

Hendrix was far and away the finest guitarist of his generation. His generation, were the most important in both Rock and Pop music for a multitude of reasons.

Quite how that can result in anything other than hero-worship is completely beyond me.

frankus

There is a really really easy way to fix this...

I've just phoned Jimmy Bryant and Jimi Hendrix and neither of those fuckers wanted to comment, so seeing as even they don't care - maybe everyone else should calm the fuck down...

ESBlonde

Blimey 13 pages, I can't read all that.

Name an influential guitarist pre Hendrix, (Clapton doesn't count because he admits when he saw Hendrix he thought about giving up).

Bert Weedon, Scotty Moore, Chuck Berry, Hank Marvin, George Harrison, a string of Yardbirds guitarists, ditto Mayalls Bluesbreakers, The Jazzers Like Wes Montgommery etc.

The likes of Robert Johnson, and the (now) 50s blues guitarists (Freddie King, Lead Belly, John Lee Hooker etc.) were largely unknown to most people at the time and have only become widely appreciated since because of later study of influences.

Definitely of his (flower power) time but something of a game changer (Chuck, Hank and George probably being game changers too). His time came and he was a star, players approached the guitar differently after him.

EricTheWeary

Fretwired said:

EricTheWeary said:

Evilmags said:

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

...not sure what's wrong with glasses...
:-B

On a long car journey I listened to a radio documentary about Hank and they played some live stuff ( from the early 60's I think) and he was much bluesier and rawer live than on record at that time - the odd thing being that Hank hadn't really heard much blues up to that point and had sort of extracted the DNA of blues out of rock'n'roll. But,no, not exactly Hendrix ( and as I said about 30 pages ago on this discussion Hank didn't like Hendrix and wouldn't have thanked anyone for the comparison).  

Back in the 70s my girlfriend at the time took me to a Cliff Richard concert. The first part had Hank and the Shadows doing their stuff and then Cliff joined them for some numbers and then Cliff did his own stuff with his band. At the time Cliff had moved into rock - Tommy Vance famously played a Cliff track on the Friday Rock Show.

Hank joined Cliff's band for a couple of numbers and I've never seen a man so out of his depth. I think Cliff's guitarist was Chris Spedding - he had a hard rock blusey tone. I felt sorry for Hank. So no Hank didn't have an ounce of rock or blues in him.

I think to some extent the problems being heard meant his Vox amps were turned up much louder on stage than on the recordings so he had this period of a relatively raunchy live tone - no doubt he turned back down to squeaky clean as soon as decent PA became available.

randomhandclaps

Drew_fx said:

Evilmags said:

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

It is scary how often we agree these days. Fuck. Maybe I'm getting old.

Recently I am also experiencing several of these episodes.  Reading this, maybe it's not us that is changing.

As accurate as your point is Mags, just remember the goalposts moved a while back in this thread when 'rock' music didn't count.  It was just about white soulless country noodlers.

 

Fretwired said:

Hank joined Cliff's band for a couple of numbers and I've never seen a man so out of his depth. I think Cliff's guitarist was Chris Spedding - he had a hard rock blusey tone. I felt sorry for Hank. So no Hank didn't have an ounce of rock or blues in him.

Yeah but he was fast right?  That's what maketh the legend.

ESBlonde said:

The likes of Robert Johnson, and the (now) 50s blues guitarists (Freddie King, Lead Belly, John Lee Hooker etc.) were largely unknown to most people at the time and have only become widely appreciated since because of later study of influences.

Unfortunately although true this point has been ruled as totally invalid in this argument as these blues players were neither particular fast perfect nor playing music for cross burning evangelical NRA members.

Fretwired

EricTheWeary said:

Fretwired said:

EricTheWeary said:

Evilmags said:

Some weird statements in here. A better Rock player than Hendrix before 1971 did not exists. The fact that someone tried to pull Hank Marvin´s name out of the bag was certainly funny. If you honestly think a teatotal, glasses warning Jehovah´s Witness who played for Cliff Richard is rock.....................

...not sure what's wrong with glasses...
:-B

On a long car journey I listened to a radio documentary about Hank and they played some live stuff ( from the early 60's I think) and he was much bluesier and rawer live than on record at that time - the odd thing being that Hank hadn't really heard much blues up to that point and had sort of extracted the DNA of blues out of rock'n'roll. But,no, not exactly Hendrix ( and as I said about 30 pages ago on this discussion Hank didn't like Hendrix and wouldn't have thanked anyone for the comparison).  

Back in the 70s my girlfriend at the time took me to a Cliff Richard concert. The first part had Hank and the Shadows doing their stuff and then Cliff joined them for some numbers and then Cliff did his own stuff with his band. At the time Cliff had moved into rock - Tommy Vance famously played a Cliff track on the Friday Rock Show.

Hank joined Cliff's band for a couple of numbers and I've never seen a man so out of his depth. I think Cliff's guitarist was Chris Spedding - he had a hard rock blusey tone. I felt sorry for Hank. So no Hank didn't have an ounce of rock or blues in him.

I think to some extent the problems being heard meant his Vox amps were turned up much louder on stage than on the recordings so he had this period of a relatively raunchy live tone - no doubt he turned back down to squeaky clean as soon as decent PA became available.

Interesting point .. I quite like Hank. He's good at what he does and he has built a large fan base.

frankus

Fretwired said:

Interesting point .. I quite like Hank. He's good at what he does and he has built a large fan base.

That probably allows him to use a larger motor for a bigger blade - a good idea in antipodean countries with their warmer climates.. but it has probably voided his waranty...

Danny1969

You know there's Shadows clubs all round the country meeting every couple of weeks to play Shadows tunes. I would say in the UK Hank was a bigger influence in terms of inspiring people to play guitar.  Actually maybe it's a generation thing, I wasn't aware of Hendrix till the nineties when I really started to get into guitars. Hanks image in the UK is so well known it's used to sell snacks and stuff. 

EricTheWeary

Danny1969 said:

You know there's Shadows clubs all round the country meeting every couple of weeks to play Shadows tunes. I would say in the UK Hank was a bigger influence in terms of inspiring people to play guitar.  Actually maybe it's a generation thing, I wasn't aware of Hendrix till the nineties when I really started to get into guitars. Hanks image in the UK is so well known it's used to sell snacks and stuff. 

In that case I counter with Bob Marley coffee!

Lively up yourself!

~O)

SimonC

Why is Levi Roots not more revered?

Evilmags

Hank Marvin is to Rock and Roll what Keith Richards is to clean living. Hendrix practically invented Rock guitar in terms of putting the whole thing together and unlike EVH never released a track as epically shit as Jump. Compositionally and as a songwriter he was also a genius an took blues and psychedelic music to another level. Let´s face it very few women ever got wet panties over the likes of Hank Marvin, and Jimi could express a raw, charismatic and deeply felt note in a way no one else could.  

lustycourtier

GuitarMonkey said:

Quick poll of the females of the troop:

Me: Who is the greatest guitar player of all time?

Mrs Monkey "Jimi Hendrix"

Youngest Monkey (18yrs): "Jimi Hendrix"

My wife would think thats a trap and go with her default answer,  'Nile Rodgers'

randomhandclaps

Evilmags said:

Let´s face it very few women ever got wet panties over the likes of Hank Marvin,

Hank just took time to get to that stage.  Go to any Shadows gig now and it's a dead cert that at least 50% of the women in the audience have unwanted moisture in their knickers.

koneguitarist

Evilmags said:

Hank Marvin is to Rock and Roll what Keith Richards is to clean living. Hendrix practically invented Rock guitar in terms of putting the whole thing together and unlike EVH never released a track as epically shit as Jump. Compositionally and as a songwriter he was also a genius an took blues and psychedelic music to another level. Let´s face it very few women ever got wet panties over the likes of Hank Marvin, and Jimi could express a raw, charismatic and deeply felt note in a way no one else could.  

Which bit of genius songwriting was that then, must have missed it due to watching guitarists who are plinky plonky, don't play rock and therefore crap!

koneguitarist

Anyway thought this was finished ?

frankus

koneguitarist said:

Anyway thought this was finished ?

It was pretty washed up before it started