Buying a car

Emp_Fab

RaymondLin said:

Emp_Fab said:

 Yeah.... you’re right.  Thinking about it again and watching videos of people trying to sit in the back of the CRZs with bent necks, I thought “what’s the point in getting a 2+2 that has completely unusable rear seats?”.  Unless we start adopting dwarves, they are a waste of space.

I still have friends, so a 2 seater isn’t what I’m after and that’s effectively what the CRZ is.

I think maybe I should just abandon all hope of getting anything that looks nice and just get a boring, reliable box on wheels.   

Or just accept it's a 2 seater with storage space at the back.  Or at a push, space to go no more than 15mins or they should get a taxi.   It's your car, buy a car that you want, you are allowed to be a little selfish.

YEAH !!!!  (Can you see how easily influenced I am ?)  Right on Brother !  OKAAAY...  So it's back to the 2+2 sports cars !!!

Does anyone know where you can get chest wigs ?

RaymondLin

Especially if you have access to a 2nd car then it shouldn't be an issue at all.

Emp_Fab

Well, not a car, it's a van with two seats, so....

RaymondLin

Emp_Fab said:

Well, not a car, it's a van with two seats, so....

So even more space ! 

Seriously, don't buy a car that you don't want for the 2 occasions that someone will get into the back for 5mins for a trip to the shop.

57Deluxe

So Gove and Corbyn entertaining Extinction Rebellion and considering their wishes to ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2025... that'll be good for the motor trade and related then...

Budgie

57Deluxe said:

So Gove and Corbyn entertaining Extinction Rebellion and considering their wishes to ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2025... that'll be good for the motor trade and related then...

At least we have reasonably priced, extensive and efficient public transport system to rely on. Heaven forbid if the powers that be did something stupid like removing a massive number of bus services.

menamestom

RaymondLin said:

This has been going for so long, why not a petrol?

Having come from a long line of Diesel company cars I'm loving the switch to petrol.  My focus has similar torque to the average 2L diesel but the power keeps on going rather than running out of steam after the initial push.

boogieman

menamestom said:

RaymondLin said:

This has been going for so long, why not a petrol?

Having come from a long line of Diesel company cars I'm loving the switch to petrol.  My focus has similar torque to the average 2L diesel but the power keeps on going rather than running out of steam after the initial push.

I’m not getting on as well with petrol really. We had a 3 litre v6 diesel before and although our 2 litre petrol is allegedly the same in bhp and torque, it’s nothing like it to drive. Put your foot down in the diesel and it just shot forward, the petrol thinks about it for a second or so and then goes. It’s worst when you’re cruising on the motorway and want that instant push to overtake. 

RaymondLin

boogieman said:

menamestom said:

RaymondLin said:

This has been going for so long, why not a petrol?

Having come from a long line of Diesel company cars I'm loving the switch to petrol.  My focus has similar torque to the average 2L diesel but the power keeps on going rather than running out of steam after the initial push.

I’m not getting on as well with petrol really. We had a 3 litre v6 diesel before and although our 2 litre petrol is allegedly the same in bhp and torque, it’s nothing like it to drive. Put your foot down in the diesel and it just shot forward, the petrol thinks about it for a second or so and then goes. It’s worst when you’re cruising on the motorway and want that instant push to overtake. 

BHP is top speed, Torque is the initial push.

The delay is because of the turbo.  You still need a larg-ish engine if you want to pull off quickly, with a good gearbox.

Emp_Fab

Well, I decided to be sensible and go and look at a Kia Cee'd - with the intention of buying it.  It still has the manufacturer's warranty on it until 2021.  I checked it out but....  naaah...  it's pretty poor on the build quality front.  Basically a dirt cheap car trying to look quality by the use of bits of plastic trim.  I opened the glove box, the door was ridiculouly light, a blow-moulded hollow polypropylene affair and on the inside you could see the seams from the mould.  Looking at the top ot the doors, you could see the welds at either end of the top horizontal above the glass, and the grinding marks where they had flattened them a little, under the paint.  From a distance it looked the part but that all unraveled once you looked closer.

I think I need to stick to established marques rather than the Jong-Li-come-lately brands.

menamestom

boogieman said:

menamestom said:

RaymondLin said:

This has been going for so long, why not a petrol?

Having come from a long line of Diesel company cars I'm loving the switch to petrol.  My focus has similar torque to the average 2L diesel but the power keeps on going rather than running out of steam after the initial push.

I’m not getting on as well with petrol really. We had a 3 litre v6 diesel before and although our 2 litre petrol is allegedly the same in bhp and torque, it’s nothing like it to drive. Put your foot down in the diesel and it just shot forward, the petrol thinks about it for a second or so and then goes. It’s worst when you’re cruising on the motorway and want that instant push to overtake. 

What car is it?  

Depends on the engine really, mine is a small turbo so spools quickly and there's no lag.  You can often sort out lag with a decent remap, not so much to add power as to improve response as long as it is a decent map and not just turn the boost max rubbish.

That said not much will keep up or feel as quick as a 3l V6 D

ICBM

Emp_Fab said:

Well, I decided to be sensible and go and look at a Kia Cee'd - with the intention of buying it.  It still has the manufacturer's warranty on it until 2021.  I checked it out but....  naaah...  it's pretty poor on the build quality front.  Basically a dirt cheap car trying to look quality by the use of bits of plastic trim.  I opened the glove box, the door was ridiculouly light, a blow-moulded hollow polypropylene affair and on the inside you could see the seams from the mould.  Looking at the top ot the doors, you could see the welds at either end of the top horizontal above the glass, and the grinding marks where they had flattened them a little, under the paint.  From a distance it looked the part but that all unraveled once you looked closer.

I think I need to stick to established marques rather than the Jong-Li-come-lately brands.

The Jong-Li-come-lately brands have an excellent record for reliability and come with a transferrable manufacturer's 7-year full warranty.

My daughter has one, it's an excellent little car.

Do you *really* care about welds in the top of the doors or the quality of the glove box door, or are you just being silly now? .

RaymondLin

ICBM said:

Emp_Fab said:

Well, I decided to be sensible and go and look at a Kia Cee'd - with the intention of buying it.  It still has the manufacturer's warranty on it until 2021.  I checked it out but....  naaah...  it's pretty poor on the build quality front.  Basically a dirt cheap car trying to look quality by the use of bits of plastic trim.  I opened the glove box, the door was ridiculouly light, a blow-moulded hollow polypropylene affair and on the inside you could see the seams from the mould.  Looking at the top ot the doors, you could see the welds at either end of the top horizontal above the glass, and the grinding marks where they had flattened them a little, under the paint.  From a distance it looked the part but that all unraveled once you looked closer.

I think I need to stick to established marques rather than the Jong-Li-come-lately brands.

The Jong-Li-come-lately brands have an excellent record for reliability and come with a transferrable manufacturer's 7-year full warranty.

My daughter has one, it's an excellent little car.

Do you *really* care about welds in the top of the doors or the quality of the glove box door, or are you just being silly now? .

I think deep down he wants a badge, one that has been around longer.  It's fine, I am a badge snob too, nothing wrong with that!

ICBM

RaymondLin said:

I think deep down he wants a badge, one that has been around longer.

Kia was founded in 1944.

RaymondLin

ICBM said:

RaymondLin said:

I think deep down he wants a badge, one that has been around longer.

Kia was founded in 1944.

But not as well known and established to the west as Honda

ICBM

RaymondLin said:

But not as well known and established to the west as Honda

Kia has still been around longer though .

ronnyb

ICBM said:

RaymondLin said:

But not as well known and established to the west as Honda

Kia has still been around longer though .

But didn't make cars till 1974. 1963 for Honda.

Deadman

If I had 6 grand to spend I’d get a FDSH BMW. 10 years old LCI 3 series with high miles, well specced, big (easily and cheaply tuneable) 6 cylinder turbo diesel. You’ll get reliability, build quality, power and fun driving. 

Oh. I’ve just described my car, sorry.

underdog

Am I the only one that thinks modern Honda's are absolutely hideous? Most of the "sporty" models look like a sketch a 7 year old would draw.

randella

“I want something that makes me feel sexy.”

 “But no visible weld seams or blow-moulded polypropylene glovebox lids.”

You've exposed the motor industry’s marketing paradox right there.