Bastard Evil Dog Things!

robgilmo

digitalscream said:

robgilmo said:

So is allowing your dog to attack innocent people, or, should we all just give rover cuddles as he rips our faces off?

No, but there's a huge fucking gap between "sensible actions taken to avoid attacks" and "just snap its chest open" (which, by the way, would put you at far more risk of injury than any of the alternatives).

LastMantra said:

I don't really agree with keeping pets anyway, but that's a different matter. 

Domesticated animals can't survive without humans. Unless you're advocating a mass cull of all of them, then it's considerably more nuanced than that.

So, what if you put two fingers up its snout and one up its bum? Kind of like an angry spit roast?

Funkfingers

robgilmo said:

what if you put two fingers up its snout and one up its bum?

Then, eventually, it will become Prime Minister.

WiresDreamDisasters

robgilmo said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

robgilmo said:

digitalscream said:

robgilmo said:

digitalscream said:

tony99 said:

yeah, call the police with 2 staffies hanging off your ankles

the way to deal with them is to snap their legs mate, either the two front legs away from their chest, or two hind legs away from the groin, then, only then, when you're safe, you can phone the police

(some people say you should stick a finger up the dog's hoop but that's not my bag at all)

That's a pretty disgusting attitude. That is not the best way to deal with them.

Actually spreading their front legs is the quickest and safest way to put an aggressive dog down if its attacking you. Putting your finger in their bum Im not so sure about.

That's not what was said, though, is it? "snap their legs mate"

And, by the way, that's not the best way, because it puts both your hands and your face in range of the dog's teeth. Honestly, it's a pretty daft (and cruel) way to defend yourself.

The best way is actually to allow the dog to bite something on you that's not actually you - a jacket, shirt, whatever - to distract them. Even better if you can cover their head with it. If you get bitten, don't pull away (difficult) but use your other hand and grab their back legs and lift them off the ground, which has the effect of completely immobilising the dog and keeping the pointy end away from you. From there, you can just wheelbarrow them around until help arrives.

Other than that, keeping them at a distance is the most sensible option. You have legs, which are longer than the useful range of dogs' teeth. The whole point is to keep as much of yourself away from the dangerous end of the dog.

And, of course, there are exceptions - all of this is out of the window if there are two dogs, and if you've got a Great Dane after you (highly unlikely, they can't be arsed with anything)...pretty much anything on the dog is longer than anything you've got, so I don't know...climb a tree?

EDIT: None of this is criticism of the OP, by the way - as far as I can tell, he did everything right in terms of keeping the dogs at a distance and preventing anything worse form happening. Without wishing to diminish what was obviously a scary experience...scratches and wet patches sort of indicate that the dogs weren't trying to cause damage, so it was either a fear thing or they've had absolutely terrible training and have no concept of boundaries, socialisation or bite inhibition.

Each to their own, Id rather just snap its chest open than allow it to bite me.

So is allowing your dog to attack innocent people, or, should we all just give rover cuddles as he rips our faces off?

Someone doesn't have a sense of humour. Or is meme ignorant.

LastMantra

DB1 said:

When they give comfort to so many people and make folks happy? I don't know why you would be against that. 

It's more the animals I'm concerned about tbh.

DB1

If the subject moved on to the quality of life for certain pets at the hands of neglectful and/or cruel owners, then I'd be with you all the way for those people. But for the majority of people who treat their pets with love and kindness, and help to ensure that their pet has a great life, I can't agree with that.

The type of eople that mistreated my dog before we had him should be banned from keeping pets (personally I'd like to see the fuckers shot, then shot again to make sure). I look at my dog now and see him enjoying life and being bloody well idolised by the whole household and can't agree with your point overall.

If your concern is for the animals, though, I respect that.

Danny1969

I've always had dogs but have never let any of them be in public off the lead. The only time I would let a dog off the lead is in the woods or out in the fields where I can see if anyone's coming. You never actually know what a dogs going to do in every situation. I had a lovely German Shepherd about 15 years ago. Very intelligent well behaved dog that for no reason one day just came into the garden where I was talking with a friend and bit his arm. That was bad enough  but then 2 weeks later he squeezed past my wife at the door when the Avon lady knocked and chased her around the drive and ripped her dress, frightened her to death obviously. On the advice of the vet and the police I had him put down that evening which was heartbreaking but the only thing to do. 
So these people who think they know their dogs and let them off the lead are playing a dangerous game. Dogs can be unpredictable with awful consequences.

There's a lady in the park I used to cycle though on the way to work and her two dogs used to chase me on the bike snapping at my heels. I started carrying sticks and throwing them which seemed to distract them enough

Mark1960

As a (hopefully responsible) dog owner, I have owned and trained many dogs over the years, and despite the best intentions (or otherwise) of their owners they can act in unpredictable and / or antisocial ways. Even a well trained normally obedient dog can cause problems. The only advice I could give to joggers / cyclists is this

The dog is most likely attracted to the movement. If you can not out pace the dog to a gate or fence and get away, the best policy is to stop, fold your arms over your body, and look down at the floor. This in effect takes away what has attracted the dog in the first place, and if it is a curiosity thing, the dog will most probably have a sniff and move on. Too much movement at this stage risks escalating the excitement level of the dog. The vast majority of dogs off the lead are not "attack dogs", and when they realise there is "no fun" to be had, they will move on.

In no way do I condone this behaviour, but merely hope to pass on some possible tips to work with.

 

Axe_meister

I have a beagle (and a Dachund cross) so no way would I let it off the lead except in a field/wood/dog park as their recall is terrible.
The problem is often dog owners often never see any potential bad behaviour at home or they just forgive it because a) they have no fear of dogs b) the dogs will not turn on the hand that gives them so much love.
The owner can't conceive that other people may think other wise or the dog may react differently to other people.
I see the most softhearted dog in the world when I look at my beagle but other people see just see a monster with teeth, which dogs can interpret as fear or aggression.

tony99

Mark1960 said:

As a (hopefully responsible) dog owner, I have owned and trained many dogs over the years, and despite the best intentions (or otherwise) of their owners they can act in unpredictable and / or antisocial ways. Even a well trained normally obedient dog can cause problems. The only advice I could give to joggers / cyclists is this

The dog is most likely attracted to the movement. If you can not out pace the dog to a gate or fence and get away, the best policy is to stop, fold your arms over your body, and look down at the floor. This in effect takes away what has attracted the dog in the first place, and if it is a curiosity thing, the dog will most probably have a sniff and move on. Too much movement at this stage risks escalating the excitement level of the dog. The vast majority of dogs off the lead are not "attack dogs", and when they realise there is "no fun" to be had, they will move on.

In no way do I condone this behaviour, but merely hope to pass on some possible tips to work with.

 

What are your thoughts on the wheelbarrow technique?

digitalscream

tony99 said:

Mark1960 said:

As a (hopefully responsible) dog owner, I have owned and trained many dogs over the years, and despite the best intentions (or otherwise) of their owners they can act in unpredictable and / or antisocial ways. Even a well trained normally obedient dog can cause problems. The only advice I could give to joggers / cyclists is this

The dog is most likely attracted to the movement. If you can not out pace the dog to a gate or fence and get away, the best policy is to stop, fold your arms over your body, and look down at the floor. This in effect takes away what has attracted the dog in the first place, and if it is a curiosity thing, the dog will most probably have a sniff and move on. Too much movement at this stage risks escalating the excitement level of the dog. The vast majority of dogs off the lead are not "attack dogs", and when they realise there is "no fun" to be had, they will move on.

In no way do I condone this behaviour, but merely hope to pass on some possible tips to work with.

 

What are your thoughts on the wheelbarrow technique?

That's for use if you're already being attacked. Mark's stop-and-be-still is a way to stop the chase...if a dog's already got its teeth in you, it probably won't do anything, but anything before that point...it's worth a try, depending on how well you can hold your nerve.

robgilmo

WiresDreamDisasters said:

robgilmo said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

robgilmo said:

digitalscream said:

robgilmo said:

digitalscream said:

tony99 said:

yeah, call the police with 2 staffies hanging off your ankles

the way to deal with them is to snap their legs mate, either the two front legs away from their chest, or two hind legs away from the groin, then, only then, when you're safe, you can phone the police

(some people say you should stick a finger up the dog's hoop but that's not my bag at all)

That's a pretty disgusting attitude. That is not the best way to deal with them.

Actually spreading their front legs is the quickest and safest way to put an aggressive dog down if its attacking you. Putting your finger in their bum Im not so sure about.

That's not what was said, though, is it? "snap their legs mate"

And, by the way, that's not the best way, because it puts both your hands and your face in range of the dog's teeth. Honestly, it's a pretty daft (and cruel) way to defend yourself.

The best way is actually to allow the dog to bite something on you that's not actually you - a jacket, shirt, whatever - to distract them. Even better if you can cover their head with it. If you get bitten, don't pull away (difficult) but use your other hand and grab their back legs and lift them off the ground, which has the effect of completely immobilising the dog and keeping the pointy end away from you. From there, you can just wheelbarrow them around until help arrives.

Other than that, keeping them at a distance is the most sensible option. You have legs, which are longer than the useful range of dogs' teeth. The whole point is to keep as much of yourself away from the dangerous end of the dog.

And, of course, there are exceptions - all of this is out of the window if there are two dogs, and if you've got a Great Dane after you (highly unlikely, they can't be arsed with anything)...pretty much anything on the dog is longer than anything you've got, so I don't know...climb a tree?

EDIT: None of this is criticism of the OP, by the way - as far as I can tell, he did everything right in terms of keeping the dogs at a distance and preventing anything worse form happening. Without wishing to diminish what was obviously a scary experience...scratches and wet patches sort of indicate that the dogs weren't trying to cause damage, so it was either a fear thing or they've had absolutely terrible training and have no concept of boundaries, socialisation or bite inhibition.

Each to their own, Id rather just snap its chest open than allow it to bite me.

So is allowing your dog to attack innocent people, or, should we all just give rover cuddles as he rips our faces off?

Someone doesn't have a sense of humour. Or is meme ignorant.

Meme ignorant, I cant even see what that is , what is that?

capo4th

Mark1960 said:

As a (hopefully responsible) dog owner, I have owned and trained many dogs over the years, and despite the best intentions (or otherwise) of their owners they can act in unpredictable and / or antisocial ways. Even a well trained normally obedient dog can cause problems. The only advice I could give to joggers / cyclists is this

The dog is most likely attracted to the movement. If you can not out pace the dog to a gate or fence and get away, the best policy is to stop, fold your arms over your body, and look down at the floor. This in effect takes away what has attracted the dog in the first place, and if it is a curiosity thing, the dog will most probably have a sniff and move on. Too much movement at this stage risks escalating the excitement level of the dog. The vast majority of dogs off the lead are not "attack dogs", and when they realise there is "no fun" to be had, they will move on.

In no way do I condone this behaviour, but merely hope to pass on some possible tips to work with.

 

Excellent accurate advice. My dog loves a jogger. 

Dominic

Having always kept Hounds it is a simple fact that any Sighthound type is movement stimulated whether it be animal ,human or inert a hound's instinct is to chase it .They will not recall no matter how well trained.
My Wolfhounds and Deerhounds would chase a paper bag blown by the wind across a field with no hope of recall.
Scent Hounds ;Bassetts,Beagles,etc will pick up a" line " ,nose to the ground and continue to follow it no matter how illogical .
 Beagling for Hares is a good example - Hares will run in huge but ever decreasing circles around a field until they exhaust themselves .....like a Catherine Wheel but with Beagles in tow until the end .It never occurs to the Beagles that they are going in circles because they are hell -bent on the Hare .Once they are on scent there is no stopping them.Dachshunds will determinedly disappear down Badger holes if they come across one ( they were bred for Badger ) hence shape .
 No matter how well trained a sight-hound or many other dogs are if a cat or squirrel pops up and darts across the road your dog will instinctively chase.......no lead....dog gets run-over etc etc
Dogs should always be on leads on pavement /park 
Only in big open space should they be unleashed .

axisus

I haven't read all the posts but I'd have photographed her, the dogs, attempted to get video of any attack and called the police immediately. 

WiresDreamDisasters

robgilmo said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

robgilmo said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

robgilmo said:

digitalscream said:

robgilmo said:

digitalscream said:

tony99 said:

yeah, call the police with 2 staffies hanging off your ankles

the way to deal with them is to snap their legs mate, either the two front legs away from their chest, or two hind legs away from the groin, then, only then, when you're safe, you can phone the police

(some people say you should stick a finger up the dog's hoop but that's not my bag at all)

That's a pretty disgusting attitude. That is not the best way to deal with them.

Actually spreading their front legs is the quickest and safest way to put an aggressive dog down if its attacking you. Putting your finger in their bum Im not so sure about.

That's not what was said, though, is it? "snap their legs mate"

And, by the way, that's not the best way, because it puts both your hands and your face in range of the dog's teeth. Honestly, it's a pretty daft (and cruel) way to defend yourself.

The best way is actually to allow the dog to bite something on you that's not actually you - a jacket, shirt, whatever - to distract them. Even better if you can cover their head with it. If you get bitten, don't pull away (difficult) but use your other hand and grab their back legs and lift them off the ground, which has the effect of completely immobilising the dog and keeping the pointy end away from you. From there, you can just wheelbarrow them around until help arrives.

Other than that, keeping them at a distance is the most sensible option. You have legs, which are longer than the useful range of dogs' teeth. The whole point is to keep as much of yourself away from the dangerous end of the dog.

And, of course, there are exceptions - all of this is out of the window if there are two dogs, and if you've got a Great Dane after you (highly unlikely, they can't be arsed with anything)...pretty much anything on the dog is longer than anything you've got, so I don't know...climb a tree?

EDIT: None of this is criticism of the OP, by the way - as far as I can tell, he did everything right in terms of keeping the dogs at a distance and preventing anything worse form happening. Without wishing to diminish what was obviously a scary experience...scratches and wet patches sort of indicate that the dogs weren't trying to cause damage, so it was either a fear thing or they've had absolutely terrible training and have no concept of boundaries, socialisation or bite inhibition.

Each to their own, Id rather just snap its chest open than allow it to bite me.

So is allowing your dog to attack innocent people, or, should we all just give rover cuddles as he rips our faces off?

Someone doesn't have a sense of humour. Or is meme ignorant.

Meme ignorant, I cant even see what that is , what is that?

Okay, for some levity...

LastMantra

Fenton!!

lasermonkey

Dominic said:

Only in big open *designated* space should they be unleashed .

FTFY.

Mark1960

tony99 said:

Mark1960 said:

As a (hopefully responsible) dog owner, I have owned and trained many dogs over the years, and despite the best intentions (or otherwise) of their owners they can act in unpredictable and / or antisocial ways. Even a well trained normally obedient dog can cause problems. The only advice I could give to joggers / cyclists is this

The dog is most likely attracted to the movement. If you can not out pace the dog to a gate or fence and get away, the best policy is to stop, fold your arms over your body, and look down at the floor. This in effect takes away what has attracted the dog in the first place, and if it is a curiosity thing, the dog will most probably have a sniff and move on. Too much movement at this stage risks escalating the excitement level of the dog. The vast majority of dogs off the lead are not "attack dogs", and when they realise there is "no fun" to be had, they will move on.

In no way do I condone this behaviour, but merely hope to pass on some possible tips to work with.

 

What are your thoughts on the wheelbarrow technique?

I can only assume that this suggestion is a joke. I don't know if it would work, but I would challenge anybody to attempt to  grab a dog (not their own) by it's hind legs, and then hang onto it, whilst it was in an excited agitated state of mind. Even if you were quick enough to do it, and strong enough to hold it, the dog would simply twist around, and respectfully request that you desist from such foolishness. Same goes for trying to force it's front legs apart. Does anybody really think that an aggressive dog would just stand there and let you do it???? Canine reactions are ridiculously quick, far faster than any human reaction I've ever seen. De-escalation of the situation would be far better IMHO.

stonevibe

Essentially, dog owners should be mindful of how other people perceive the dog. Keep your dog on a lead, unless in the middle of nowhere where they are away from cyclists, kids and adults, traffic etc

I'd hate for someone to hurt my dog or for my dog to hurt a person, so for the safety of all involved she stays on a lead with me. When I take her to the local fields in the middle of nowhere, she can safely chase rabbits (and fail to catch up with any of them) and see other dogs that she can then play with.

But around town, in parks and on walks she stays on her lead with me. I know that many people are scared of dogs, especially the breed of dog I own. I'm here to look after my dog and give her a good life, not to put her into stupid situations that can easily be avoided.

A good example is my dog will chase a horse, where I walk her you are not supposed to ride a horse. But many people still do and when my dog chases them it is no fun for me or the horse. Luckily, my dog has not been kicked, as most horses just ignore her, but some horse riders are idiots. They could ride on bridal paths where my dog is not walked off the lead, but instead they go cutting across into fields where they are not supposed to be riding a horse.

I do wish there was some kind of license scheme, though it wasn't perfect when we had such a thing. Just to keep the animals out of the hands of cruel and sometimes idiotic people that should never be trusted with animals.

S56035

she can safely chase rabbits (and fail to catch up with any of them)

I'm sure the rabbits think that's awesome fun.