Furore at Fulltone.

enjo

Not all lives matter until black lives matter - that's the point.

Fulltone comes across as aggressive and self centred - not the type of person I'd want to transact with personally.

To flip this into something positive, Zach from Mythos has been pretty much the polar opposite, doing a run of pedals with profits donated to charity and has fast been and helpful in replying to emails.

jfraze5150

roberty said:

Daigaijin said:

roberty said:

Daigaijin said:

I would not be so rude as to assume what you think or feel, if you are a good pe
To the point of injustice, it takes many forms, it exists and its been my experience that the rush to correct one injustice usually generates others 

Can you provide one single example of this please?  "Fighting injustice creates injustice" sounds like utter nonsense to me

Daigaijin said:
Perhaps a different approach might be for each to take responsibility for themselves alone as we are not God's and cannot see the impact of our actions

That's easy to say when you don't have a policeman standing on your neck

So you did read it then, thanks, I appreciate it. I dont need you to agree with me, that would imply that I want to coerce you to my way of thinking. I'm not. If I did I would have to take some responsability for you and that would be wrong of me. 

My point is a simple one, perpetrating an injustice to correct another wont work, you just have two injustices

You said:

 its been my experience that the rush to correct one injustice usually generates others 

What experience is this?  Can you provide examples?  I feel like you're making this up

perpetrating an injustice to correct another wont work

What injustice is being proposed?  How would abolishing racial discrimination perpetuate further injustice?

He’s unwilling to answer that. Been asked 4 times. The last ad-hominem reply is barely coherent. Save yourself. That awesome Clapton documentary is on in 20 minutes. I’m away for a bottle of Chivas or Auchentoshan if it’s still on offer, and to watch that. Clapton is a man with racist undertones that I enjoy listening to at least. 

roberty

jfraze5150 said:

roberty said:

Daigaijin said:

roberty said:

Daigaijin said:

I would not be so rude as to assume what you think or feel, if you are a good pe
To the point of injustice, it takes many forms, it exists and its been my experience that the rush to correct one injustice usually generates others 

Can you provide one single example of this please?  "Fighting injustice creates injustice" sounds like utter nonsense to me

Daigaijin said:
Perhaps a different approach might be for each to take responsibility for themselves alone as we are not God's and cannot see the impact of our actions

That's easy to say when you don't have a policeman standing on your neck

So you did read it then, thanks, I appreciate it. I dont need you to agree with me, that would imply that I want to coerce you to my way of thinking. I'm not. If I did I would have to take some responsability for you and that would be wrong of me. 

My point is a simple one, perpetrating an injustice to correct another wont work, you just have two injustices

You said:

 its been my experience that the rush to correct one injustice usually generates others 

What experience is this?  Can you provide examples?  I feel like you're making this up

perpetrating an injustice to correct another wont work

What injustice is being proposed?  How would abolishing racial discrimination perpetuate further injustice?

He’s unwilling to answer that. Been asked 4 times. The last ad-hominem reply is barely coherent. Save yourself. That awesome Clapton documentary is on in 20 minutes. I’m away for a bottle of Chivas or Auchentoshan if it’s still on offer, and to watch that. Clapton is a man with racist undertones that I enjoy listening to at least. 

If he can't answer we'll have to assume he's talking out of his arse

jfraze5150

enjo said:

Not all lives matter until black lives matter - that's the point.

Fulltone comes across as aggressive and self centred - not the type of person I'd want to transact with personally.

To flip this into something positive, Zach from Mythos has been pretty much the polar opposite, doing a run of pedals with profits donated to charity and has fast been and helpful in replying to emails.

Mate! Exactly! I made a post saying that maybe a positive thing to do would be to discuss pedal makers of colour and added two links. My thread got moved and merged here. Mike Fuller displayed tactless white privilege and experienced the kickback, he apologised (quite sincerely I thought). Like I said, if that bothers anyone, and you can see that it clearly has, then in my opinion, that reflects badly on them. 

jfraze5150

Apparently the Dogman FX guy I originally linked has been inundated too through shout outs on Twitter and has sold out of everything. 

roberty

MagicPigDetective

Jota

Ahahah, Keeley was on video kissing trump's ass just a month or so ago.

roberty

Jota said:

Ahahah, Keeley was on video kissing trump's ass just a month or so ago.

Really? Got a link? :-/ 

Jota

roberty said:

Jota said:

Ahahah, Keeley was on video kissing trump's ass just a month or so ago.

Really? Got a link? :-/ 

He took the video down on the same day.

Stratavarious

What about MXR?  Any dirt?  Can we hate them today?

soma1975

Stratavarious said:

What about MXR?  Any dirt?  Can we hate them today?

Mate there's loads of dirt on MXR. Just check their product page. 

fnpt

WiresDreamDisasters

@goldtop ;
Watch the above video and let us know what you think.

randella

soma1975 said:

Stratavarious said:

What about MXR?  Any dirt?  Can we hate them today?

Mate there's loads of dirt on MXR. Just check their product page. 

What about Boss? Been lording it over everyone for years.

Karlos

WiresDreamDisasters said:

@goldtop ;
Watch the above video and let us know what you think.

The premise of what he's saying is that 'white privilege' is a crime that all whites are labelled with.
He's wrong right of the bat - it's not a crime, it's just a reality. 

That's like saying tall people are cheating at basketball because they have longer legs. They aren't cheating but it's clearly an advantage.

roberty

Oh look it's Hitler Kermit and his strawman bullshit

roberty

I prefer actual Kermit's position on race politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng

WiresDreamDisasters

Karlos said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

@goldtop ;;
Watch the above video and let us know what you think.

The premise of what he's saying is that 'white privilege' is a crime that all whites are labelled with.
He's wrong right of the bat - it's not a crime, it's just a reality. 

That's like saying tall people are cheating at basketball because they have longer legs. They aren't cheating but it's clearly an advantage.

The way that white privilege as a concept is used is exactly that of it being a crime. We are told we should pay reparations. We are told we should shut up and listen to other people's lived experiences at the expense of our own. Sure seems like a crime to me. We are told that this is a global phenomenon that doesn't change the facts. So regardless of demographics, regardless of borders, regardless of history, white people have privilege. We are told that this is true even when white people are the majority homeless. The majority suicides. The minority in cities and countries. 

"It's just a reality" is yet another attempt to prevent criticism or analysis of this social theory. It's not a very useful response.

Happy to discuss what the potential limits of white privilege are. I'm very curious as to when it stops applying. When can white people remove their privilege? Under what circumstances are other races more privileged than white people? Are there any other factors that could complicate white privilege and make it's ramifications upon the world more or less severe?

These are honest questions. I'm looking for dialogue.

roberty said:

Oh look it's Hitler Kermit and his strawman bullshit

I don't know if you're aware of how this sort of thing comes across, but it's not big, and it's not clever. It's very not clever tbh.

WiresDreamDisasters

@Karlos - Seriously, let's have a chat about this. You seem like someone worth talking to.