The Doctor Who thread

frankus

Lixarto;90484" said:

Because you love your family even when you don't like them perhaps?

perhaps... and then again...

so if Hurt thinks he'll forget, Ecclestone didn't remember, Tennant knew he'd forget too and only Matt Jones remembers then Capaldi certainly won't remember unless Matt Jones tells him before the end at Trensalor which'd still mean that Ecclestone and Tennant would have known...

But this can't be the case or people would be tuning in to see an angsty Doctor who's mistaken about the destruction of his planet and species... which hasn't happened.. and the audience knows that... it'd be too confusing.

Monkeybone

not_the_dj said:

Can't do youtube right now, but I assume I haven't actually spotted a big hole in the whole thing and it's all explained.

It is, Moffatt made a mini episode called The Night of The Doctor, which shows McGann regenerate in to a young Hurt.

Fretwired

Monkeybone said:

not_the_dj said:

Can't do youtube right now, but I assume I haven't actually spotted a big hole in the whole thing and it's all explained.

It is, Moffatt made a mini episode called The Night of The Doctor, which shows McGann regenerate in to a young Hurt.

I thought everyone had seen it ... :-)

not_the_dj

Monkeybone said:

not_the_dj said:

Can't do youtube right now, but I assume I haven't actually spotted a big hole in the whole thing and it's all explained.

It is, Moffatt made a mini episode called The Night of The Doctor, which shows McGann regenerate in to a young Hurt.

OK, I actually watched that last night....but what about back at the start of the Ecclestone era, when they re-booted the series. Didn't that start off with a regeneration scene then, or was that a handy opportunity that the current writters managed to use to shoe-horn in an extra doctor?

digitalscream

not_the_dj said:

OK, I actually watched that last night....but what about back at the start of the Ecclestone era, when they re-booted the series. Didn't that start off with a regeneration scene then, or was that a handy opportunity that the current writters managed to use to shoe-horn in an extra doctor?

No - there was no regeneration scene at the beginning of the Eccleston series. I seem to recall that there was some controversy over whether the McGann Doctor was even part of the canon because of it.

snakemanStoo

I was under the impression that McGann had only just regenerated into Eccleston before the start of 'Rose', hence the unsureness of his looks etc.

digitalscream

snakemanStoo said:

I was under the impression that McGann had only just regenerated into Eccleston before the start of 'Rose', hence the unsureness of his looks etc.

Indeed, only now we a) know it was Hurt -> Eccleston, and b) have an exact timeline for when it happened relative to the Time War.

daveyh

I thought it was the case that the TIme Lords limited the number of regenerations, not that they couldn't have them?

scrumhalf

I watched it over the weekend, and I've not really seen it much since Tom Baker had that stupid metal dog.

Watching David Tennant and Matt Smith, I thought they were both doing Richard Hammond impressions. If John Hurt was Clarkson, you've almost got the next Top Gear Challenge.

monquixote

Has it ever been conclusively stated that Hartnell is even the first doctor? 

Presumably there could be others before him.

From what I remember they've played fast and loose with regenerations in the past anyway so I doubt 13 matters. 

Lixarto

Fretwired said: Is this happening then?

No, I made it up.

Lixarto

monquixote said:

Has it ever been conclusively stated that Hartnell is even the first doctor?

Yes, in "The Five Doctors" if nowhere else.

Fretwired

Lixarto said:

Fretwired said: Is this happening then?

No, I made it up.

@Lixarto You bastard ... :-)

I do think the outside of the TARDIS should change ... a fully functional TARDIS could add something to series as in the excellent episode the Doctor's Wife.

Lixarto

(Sorry)

He fixed the Chameleon Circuit in the Colin Baker days - which was anticlimactic after being unable to fix it in the fantastic "Logopolis".

I'll agree that "The Doctor's Wife" was excellent though

digitalscream

Lixarto said:

(Sorry)

He fixed the Chameleon Circuit in the Colin Baker days - which was anticlimactic after being unable to fix it in the fantastic "Logopolis".

I'll agree that "The Doctor's Wife" was excellent though

I do think that they missed a great opportunity in The Doctor's Wife to explain the repeatedly flaky nature of the Chameleon Circuit with an offhand reference by the TARDIS to the fact that she liked her current look.

Lixarto

There's an (Americanised) explanation in the McGann movie:

"The cloaking device got stuck on a previous misadventure; I like it like that."

fatherjack

I really enjoyed the special.

I think people will find regeneration questions easier to resolve when they realise that all the evidence suggests that Steven Moffatt:

Does.

Not.

Give.

A.

Shit.

About such things.  Any inconsistencies or plot holes are, if he feels so inclined, papered over with 'The Doctor lies,' or something similar.

monquixote

Indeed letting cannon get in the way of story would be idiotic and Who is massively contradictory all  over the place anyway. 

Lixarto

Indeed - the old "Was it the 1970s or 1980s?" got trotted out again on Saturday.

littlegreenman

Isn't 12, in an infinite universe, or even 13, too much?

That'll do pig, that'll do...