Game of Thrones

BeardyAndy

Grumpyrocker said:

Changing the subject I wish they'd done better at showing the passage of time. I understanding cutting to the next location. But some small way of showing the time that's passed, that vast distances have been travelled, should have been included. Even if just text captions "Two months, 500 leagues later" etc. 

winteriscoming.net reckons that Winterfell is 600 miles as the raven flies from the wall and Kings landing is 3 times that, they'd have been marching for about 3 of months!!

ToneControl

BeardyAndy said:

Grumpyrocker said:

Changing the subject I wish they'd done better at showing the passage of time. I understanding cutting to the next location. But some small way of showing the time that's passed, that vast distances have been travelled, should have been included. Even if just text captions "Two months, 500 leagues later" etc. 

winteriscoming.net reckons that Winterfell is 600 miles as the raven flies from the wall and Kings landing is 3 times that, they'd have been marching for about 3 of months!!

I thought in epi 1 that King Robert and Cersei talked about a month's travel to get to winterfell?

looks like my memory is still working ok:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-days-does-it-take-to-get-to-Kings-Landing-From-Winterfell

WiresDreamDisasters

Cirrus said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

I mean Cersei. She gets to die in a sort of dignified way, after all the fucked up shit she has done. It's a nonsense.

I don't agree. I think if she'd died fighting or unrepentant, falling from a tower or being obliterated in dragony flames, that would have been more dignified. Even if she'd been debased in some way, like the naked walk of shame... she's been through that before, and held her head high. She died cowering in the dark underground, terrified of dying and knowing that her unborn child was doomed and there was nothing she could do. Her villainy has been motivated by her desire to protect her children. We saw her broken.

Ultimately I wanted Jamie to do the true hero resurrection path. I wanted him to discover that he could forgive himself for his past, and as part of a twist on that he'd kill Cersei to mark the switch from anti-hero to hero. I wanted him to settle down with Briene.

Grumpyrocker

This is rather good:

https://junkee.com/game-of-thrones-the-mad-queen/205200?sfns=mo

Fortheloveofguitar

I think the whole season has been disappointing and rushed 

I saw a leak with all Ep5 details and they all turned out to be true. I’ve also seen the final episode details as I’ve given up caring now it’s been so bad. 

DLM

https://i.imgur.com/wDDPr4G.png

darthed1981

FarleyUK said:

Fully agree. However, I think the issue that people have is not so much that this was telegraphed from her previous actions - it's just that it was a fairly disjointed 'snap' of it suddenly happening.

Also - now that Miss Sunday was killed, who was doing Dany's hair?

The pace of the show has clearly massively picked up, there was easily two ten episode seasons of story crammed into this season so it is all plot, plot, plot.  I can understand why it winds people up, even GRR Martin said it should be 11 or 12 seasons, and he is right.

Why they were so keen to end it so soon I don't know, but I suspect it is becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to hang on to their cast.  Most of the main cast will be on millions now, and it's a damn big cast.  HBO, ultimately, can afford to spend a lot on their flagship show, but not an unlimited amount.

Also probably the reason for "smaller number of longer episodes" - I believe most of their contracts are "per episode".

I thought Dany had lost her elaborate hairdos this week - a deliberate nod to not having Miss Sundae any more!

Also... Netflix will buy HBO after Disney + launches #justsaying

BeardyAndy

ToneControl said:

BeardyAndy said:

Grumpyrocker said:

Changing the subject I wish they'd done better at showing the passage of time. I understanding cutting to the next location. But some small way of showing the time that's passed, that vast distances have been travelled, should have been included. Even if just text captions "Two months, 500 leagues later" etc. 

winteriscoming.net reckons that Winterfell is 600 miles as the raven flies from the wall and Kings landing is 3 times that, they'd have been marching for about 3 of months!!

I thought in epi 1 that King Robert and Cersei talked about a month's travel to get to winterfell?

looks like my memory is still working ok:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-days-does-it-take-to-get-to-Kings-Landing-From-Winterfell

Robert and Cersai would've gone in a carriage with mounted escort but the northern army would have to march, my guess is a carriage would be at least twice as fast although they'd probably take more tavern breaks!

FarleyUK

darthed1981 said:

FarleyUK said:

Fully agree. However, I think the issue that people have is not so much that this was telegraphed from her previous actions - it's just that it was a fairly disjointed 'snap' of it suddenly happening.

Also - now that Miss Sunday was killed, who was doing Dany's hair?

The pace of the show has clearly massively picked up, there was easily two ten episode seasons of story crammed into this season so it is all plot, plot, plot.  I can understand why it winds people up, even GRR Martin said it should be 11 or 12 seasons, and he is right.

Why they were so keen to end it so soon I don't know, but I suspect it is becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to hang on to their cast.  Most of the main cast will be on millions now, and it's a damn big cast.  HBO, ultimately, can afford to spend a lot on their flagship show, but not an unlimited amount.

Also probably the reason for "smaller number of longer episodes" - I believe most of their contracts are "per episode".

I thought Dany had lost her elaborate hairdos this week - a deliberate nod to not having Miss Sundae any more!

Also... Netflix will buy HBO after Disney + launches #justsaying

Part of it is also that DB Weiss and Benioff (the writers) are moving on to ruin, er, sorry, I mean 'enhance', the new Star Wars films and shows.

fretmeister

Fortheloveofguitar said:

I think the whole season has been disappointing and rushed 

I saw a leak with all Ep5 details and they all turned out to be true. I’ve also seen the final episode details as I’ve given up caring now it’s been so bad. 

That's your fault for looking.

No sympathy. Reading what happens is never the same as watching it in such a visual show.

fretmeister

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Cirrus said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

I mean Cersei. She gets to die in a sort of dignified way, after all the fucked up shit she has done. It's a nonsense.

I don't agree. I think if she'd died fighting or unrepentant, falling from a tower or being obliterated in dragony flames, that would have been more dignified. Even if she'd been debased in some way, like the naked walk of shame... she's been through that before, and held her head high. She died cowering in the dark underground, terrified of dying and knowing that her unborn child was doomed and there was nothing she could do. Her villainy has been motivated by her desire to protect her children. We saw her broken.

Ultimately I wanted Jamie to do the true hero resurrection path. I wanted him to discover that he could forgive himself for his past, and as part of a twist on that he'd kill Cersei to mark the switch from anti-hero to hero. I wanted him to settle down with Briene.

I thought Cersei in the collapse was perfect.

It's a great 'fuck you' as she's evaded justice. No court, no execution. When they find her body the 'goodies' will be upset she had an easy way out.

Grumpyrocker

fretmeister said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Cirrus said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

I mean Cersei. She gets to die in a sort of dignified way, after all the fucked up shit she has done. It's a nonsense.

I don't agree. I think if she'd died fighting or unrepentant, falling from a tower or being obliterated in dragony flames, that would have been more dignified. Even if she'd been debased in some way, like the naked walk of shame... she's been through that before, and held her head high. She died cowering in the dark underground, terrified of dying and knowing that her unborn child was doomed and there was nothing she could do. Her villainy has been motivated by her desire to protect her children. We saw her broken.

Ultimately I wanted Jamie to do the true hero resurrection path. I wanted him to discover that he could forgive himself for his past, and as part of a twist on that he'd kill Cersei to mark the switch from anti-hero to hero. I wanted him to settle down with Briene.

I thought Cersei in the collapse was perfect.

It's a great 'fuck you' as she's evaded justice. No court, no execution. When they find her body the 'goodies' will be upset she had an easy way out.

Yes, no closure, no satiation of revenge. Just another casualty of war. It's fitting. 

munckee

"Yes, no closure, no satiation of revenge. Just another casualty of war. It's fitting. "

Its totally keeping with a series in which the three most honourable characters if you count varys as honourable have all been betrayed and killed (although Jon got magiced back to life)  Of all the baddies no one really got their just desserts, ramsay snow was killed by hounds but look at his crimes.  Littlefinger was only humiliated for a few seconds then got a quick death.

Tywin Lannister died humiliatingly and Fray ate his sons but most characters have not had karma either good or bad.

LoFi

darthed1981 said:

Why they were so keen to end it so soon I don't know, but I suspect it is becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to hang on to their cast.  Most of the main cast will be on millions now, and it's a damn big cast.  HBO, ultimately, can afford to spend a lot on their flagship show, but not an unlimited amount.

Also probably the reason for "smaller number of longer episodes" - I believe most of their contracts are "per episode".

Saw a recent "listicle" on this, but can't find it now. IIRC, there are three tiers of cast pay for the named characters - six of the main characters are on $500K per episode, the next tier is $100K per ep and the lowest (including some surprising ones, such as Bran) is $10K per ep - although these are fairly high numbers, I'd expect the logistics and filming costs dwarf the cast wages.

antonyiv

Also probably the reason for "smaller number of longer episodes" - I believe most of their contracts are "per episode".

This. Actors are paid by episode. Seasons 1-4 were cheap because most of the cast wasn't popular. Salaries were re-negotiated for seasons 5-6.  There was another, even better re-negotiation for seasons 7-8. That's when they started to "shoot less episodes with more content and bigger duration". Classic saving costs scenarios. 

Game of Thrones is becoming Gibson of the TV series. Became iconic but then decided to cut costs, quality dropped and fans started bashing them on the Internet. 

fretmeister

Just a wild thought here...

There has never been an ending to a popular long running TV show that every fan has liked.
Probably hovers around the 50% like or didn't mark.

It's just that the disappointed people tend to shout louder.

I'm actually surprised when 50% of fans like an ending. With an epic show the finale is almost always of a lower quality.
The journey was more important than the ending.

WiresDreamDisasters

fretmeister said:

Just a wild thought here...

There has never been an ending to a popular long running TV show that every fan has liked.
Probably hovers around the 50% like or didn't mark.

It's just that the disappointed people tend to shout louder.

I'm actually surprised when 50% of fans like an ending. With an epic show the finale is almost always of a lower quality.
The journey was more important than the ending.

Well typically people don't want it to end.

RandallFlagg

Is it possible that Jon Snow will try and neutralise Drogon so destruction on this level can never happen again? A kind of nuclear de-armament treaty? Taking Daenerys out would effectively achieve this if he took over as the dragon's keeper. 

FarleyUK

fretmeister said:

Just a wild thought here...

There has never been an ending to a popular long running TV show that every fan has liked.
Probably hovers around the 50% like or didn't mark.

It's just that the disappointed people tend to shout louder.

I'm actually surprised when 50% of fans like an ending. With an epic show the finale is almost always of a lower quality.
The journey was more important than the ending.

Breaking Bad says hi.

fretmeister

FarleyUK said:

fretmeister said:

Just a wild thought here...

There has never been an ending to a popular long running TV show that every fan has liked.
Probably hovers around the 50% like or didn't mark.

It's just that the disappointed people tend to shout louder.

I'm actually surprised when 50% of fans like an ending. With an epic show the finale is almost always of a lower quality.
The journey was more important than the ending.

Breaking Bad says hi.

1 example out of how many? And there were some who complained about it.

Statistically irrelevant.