Game of Thrones

JerkMoans

We’ll be onto Blake’s 7, next.

Jalapeno

FarleyUK said:

That was.... OK. For Hollywood.

I quite liked it (it could have been much, much worse; Budget Jack Sparrow (TM) on the throne, anyone?), but it was far too 'nice' and neat for GoT. Dany's death was very anti-climatic. In all 8 seasons, nothing actually happens to Jon; he ends up exactly where he started... only difference being he DOES know things now.

Was half expecting the group of Wildlings to encounter a White Walker and then the series ends.

Ditto

darthed1981

JerkMoans said:

We’ll be onto Blake’s 7, next.

We might...

sweepy

Servalan fuelled many a boys naughty dreams

fretmeister

RaymondLin

fretmeister said:

Posts like that really gripes me.

Why compare yourself to the worst? It is like saying “it’s okay we didn’t win the Premier League this year, at least we are not the club in the conference getting relegated”.

WTF, have more ambition FFS, you’ve set yourself up to be something amazing, has been something amazing and the reason that you didn’t pull off an equally amazing ending is that another show fooked it up?

That is as lazy as the writing of GoT has been this year.

fretmeister

ha ha hahahaha!

I'm not.

I liked the GoT ending. So ner ner ner ner ner.

Snap

RaymondLin said:

They could have managed their time a lot better on things that mattered in the end.

Briene and Jamie doing it. What was the point of that hit it and run?
Arya getting horny, was that really needed in the grand scheme of things?
20mins of them drinking after the battle. Way too long.
the cost 2 episodes was basically set up waiting for ep3 to happen, that’s 2 hours of drag.

It seems without the guidance of the book and with only a target to aim to by the author they don’t have a clue have to fill in the blanks properly, it really is like they film 6 episodes because they don’t have enough material for 10, they need know the target but can’t write the roads for the characters to get there. 

Agree with this so much. For me the first two episode were really dull, and could have been condensed. After that there was so much thin character plot, as if they were cramming so many character endings in. Jaimie & Cersei - poor. The first half of the last episode was great, then after Dany's death it went tits up. Jump forward a few weeks and a quick debate and Bran's king. That was RUBBISH. Then all that nonsense around the table - pointless.

Castle Black - just what is the Night's Watch for then?

the more I think about this the more I feel the whole last series was a real mess. Great cinematography but woeful execution of plot. Really poor. Such a shame to cock up the final furlong of what has been excellent TV.

Anyway, Westworld S3. We can hope.

ToneControl

Snap said:

RaymondLin said:

They could have managed their time a lot better on things that mattered in the end.

Briene and Jamie doing it. What was the point of that hit it and run?
Arya getting horny, was that really needed in the grand scheme of things?
20mins of them drinking after the battle. Way too long.
the cost 2 episodes was basically set up waiting for ep3 to happen, that’s 2 hours of drag.

It seems without the guidance of the book and with only a target to aim to by the author they don’t have a clue have to fill in the blanks properly, it really is like they film 6 episodes because they don’t have enough material for 10, they need know the target but can’t write the roads for the characters to get there. 

Agree with this so much. For me the first two episode were really dull, and could have been condensed. After that there was so much thin character plot, as if they were cramming so many character endings in. Jaimie & Cersei - poor. The first half of the last episode was great, then after Dany's death it went tits up. Jump forward a few weeks and a quick debate and Bran's king. That was RUBBISH. Then all that nonsense around the table - pointless.

Castle Black - just what is the Night's Watch for then?

the more I think about this the more I feel the whole last series was a real mess. Great cinematography but woeful execution of plot. Really poor. Such a shame to cock up the final furlong of what has been excellent TV.

Anyway, Westworld S3. We can hope.

I thought the nightswatch was now to protect the southern northerners against the wildlings, except for the ones already there, in the nightswatch. Ermmm hang on........

Bidley

Snap said:

the more I think about this the more I feel the whole last series was a real mess.

This is what it boils down to I think - the season was great if you don't think about it too much.

Bluebeard

I am surprised people still kept taking this program seriously after that Hodor "Hold The Door" bit.

RaymondLin

Bidley said:

Snap said:

the more I think about this the more I feel the whole last series was a real mess.

This is what it boils down to I think - the season was great if you don't think about it too much.

That stance is fine for most other action shows but GoT has build itself up to be a smarter one than the rest.

darthed1981

Bluebeard said:

I am surprised people still kept taking this program seriously after that Hodor "Hold The Door" bit.

I think that came from GRRM.

Snap

RaymondLin said:

Bidley said:

Snap said:

the more I think about this the more I feel the whole last series was a real mess.

This is what it boils down to I think - the season was great if you don't think about it too much.

That stance is fine for most other action shows but GoT has build itself up to be a smarter one than the rest.

For me, it's maybe disappointment. It's been brilliant, and they had two years to do this last bit and they really cocked it up. I watched it and though, yeah, it's still a cracking show, but by their own standards, this is poor. Shame. Yeah, that's how I'd sum it up "a shame".

stickyfiddle

ToneControl said:

Snap said:

 

Castle Black - just what is the Night's Watch for then?

I thought the nightswatch was now to protect the southern northerners against the wildlings, except for the ones already there, in the nightswatch. Ermmm hang on........

I thought the whole thing of sending Jon back to the wall was because all his friends & family knew Tormund was there with Jon's dog and they'd let go him beyond the wall again and be reasonably happy, while Grey Worm et al had no clue and thought it was a bigger punishment than it was. 

Incidentally, Naath - where the unsullied are heading - is apparently full of butterflies that carry a plague that kills foreigners. So they're all fucked. Ha! 

Bidley

RaymondLin said:

Bidley said:

Snap said:

the more I think about this the more I feel the whole last series was a real mess.

This is what it boils down to I think - the season was great if you don't think about it too much.

That stance is fine for most other action shows but GoT has build itself up to be a smarter one than the rest.

Which is why this season seems so dissonant.

WiresDreamDisasters

Bluebeard said:

I am surprised people still kept taking this program seriously after that Hodor "Hold The Door" bit.

Yeah that was corny as shit. Hated it. But I was able to ignore it.

guitarfishbay

fretmeister said:

Dany becoming evil was obvious from when she enjoyed the death of her brother at the beginning.

She didn’t really become evil, she always was, just wrapped up in destiny and helping the little people. 

Her dialogue on the way, about killing all those in her way announced it repeatedly. 

Exactly.

They arguably tried to rush the final descent into madness, but otherwise she was never a purely good character.

darthed1981

I would say the strengths of GOT in it's early seasons were...

It took HBOs lack of rules on violence/sex/language and ran with them

Writing that took time building character and earning a resolution, while spooling out the story slowly.

Production Design, Costumes, Photography and SFX of mostly feature quality on a TV budget.

I think you could sum up seasons 7 and 8 as...

It took HBOs lack of rules on violence/sex/language and ran with them

Writing that rushed spooling out the story, and hurt character development, leading to less weight in the resolution.

Production Design, Costumes, Photography and SFX of feature quality or above on a TV budget.

The only flaw the show really had was doing four seasons worth of story at the "old pace" in two shorter seasons. 

It suffers because we all know the short seasons were due to cast salaries, and the two years instead of four were because the showrunners are bored and felt trapped doing the show.

It was still really good though, a cultural lightning in a bottle moment, and nowhere near the poor quality of final seasons we get with other shows.

Bidley

guitarfishbay said:

fretmeister said:

Dany becoming evil was obvious from when she enjoyed the death of her brother at the beginning.

She didn’t really become evil, she always was, just wrapped up in destiny and helping the little people. 

Her dialogue on the way, about killing all those in her way announced it repeatedly. 

Exactly.

They arguably tried to rush the final descent into madness, but otherwise she was never a purely good character.

The clumsy 0-to-mental descent is the part people take issue with.