Erm... Brexiteers? Is this something we knew about?

Myranda

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39042876

€60 billion to leave?

What?

I thought the idea was to save money - why did they wait till the Lords are debating to mention this?!! To f***ing late now!

goldtop

(Remain voter here)

"They" is Juncker, whose job right now, is "pour encourager les autres".

There may be legal requirements to buy the UK's exit .There may be vaxatious claims.

We don't know yet. But there is scaremongering and hyperbole.

Neither of which should deter a democrat.

Myranda

goldtop said:

(Remain voter here)

"They" is Juncker, whose job right now, is "pour encourager les autres".

There may be legal requirements to buy the UK's exit .There may be vaxatious claims.

We don't know yet. But there is scaremongering and hyperbole.

Neither of which should deter a democrat.

Oh I know its too late - we referended and now its been legally through the commons - and should the lords kick up a fuss I'd expect them to be abolished soon...

but WTF? 60 billion?

Bridgehouse

60 billion?? Is that all we are getting? 

Fortheloveofguitar

Fuck Juncker he's nothing but a puppet for Merkel and co 

scrumhalf

Unless it's a contractual obligation which was explicit when we signed up in the first place I would suggest he sticks it up his derriere.

Bidley

I love that even the BBC has a photo with the caption "The UK is one of 10 member states who pay more into the EU budget than they get out".

TheBlueWolf

I don't recall a price on our leaving either. 

Brize

Ending a marriage always costs money. It's worth it, though, especially if your spouse has become bloated and unreasonable.

Bridgehouse

Brize said:

Ending a marriage always costs money. It's worth it, though, especially if your spouse has become bloated and unreasonable.

Or if you want to run off with the shredded-wheat haired blond American bimbo over the river who promised to 'treat you right' if you left your wife..

Brize

Bridgehouse said:

Brize said:

Ending a marriage always costs money. It's worth it, though, especially if your spouse has become bloated and unreasonable.

Or if you want to run off with the shredded-wheat haired blond American bimbo over the river who promised to 'treat you right' if you left your wife..

I believe we left the marriage before the blonde bimbo appeared on the scene.

guitars4you

you just suspected at the time, that straight after the result it was never going to be a simple done and dusted deal - for many and whatever reason

Fretwired

Junker could be out of a job next month. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

From The Times:

Germany is siding with Britain to stop the European Commission presenting a €60 billion “divorce” bill immediately after Theresa May begins the Brexit process.

Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, wants the opening phase of Brexit talks to focus on the size of the exit bill for existing funding commitments, pensions and other liabilities.

He believes that discussions on the EU-UK free trade deal, which is the main focus of ministerial work in Britain, should be delayed until substantial progress is made on exit issues.

In private Germany is understood to be critical of this approach, in what will be a boost for Downing Street. German ministers are sensitive to the argument from their UK counterparts that the public backlash in Britain over the concept and size of an “exit bill” could scupper talks before they begin.

The fixed two-year time frame for Brexit talks under Article 50 means that Mr Barnier’s tactic of delay while the clock is ticking would mean less time to strike a trade deal with the EU.

Even cabinet ministers who voted to remain say that it will be incredibly hard to defend talks that only revolve around a massive bill from Brussels.

Yesterday No 10 highlighted Angela Merkel’s public commitment to parallel talks — with “divorce” negotiations and discussion about a trade deal taking place at the same time — during a press conference with Mrs May last July.

Mrs Merkel said: “The UK has to clearly outline how it sees its future with the European Union. These have to be parallel processes. You can’t completely cut off the bonds and then after a long, winding negotiating process come up with how one sees the future relationship. So a good negotiating process is in all of our interests.”

German officials appear to be abiding by this agreement. The Times understands that they have in recent weeks said that, tactically, the EU cannot just throw the €60 billion bill at the UK on the first day of negotiations. They fear that this would force the UK to walk out, leaving Britain’s trade with the EU to be governed by World Trade Organisation terms.

In the past, however, David Cameron routinely relied on Germany to sway the rest of the EU, only to find himself let down at the last minute on issues such as Jean-Claude Juncker’s appointment as president of the commission.

Other countries have signalled their opposition to the commission-led plan. In January Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, said his country was sympathetic to London’s call for trade deal negotiations at the same time as the separation talks. France is thought to be less sympathetic.

Some analysts believe that the commission has become less hardline in the past six months over the timing of trade talks, with informal discussions to be run in parallel from relatively early on.

Britain is operating a “divide and rule” approach over Brexit, making clear to individual nations the consequences of a punishing approach. Eastern European countries rely on military equipment and support to counter threats from Russia. Countries such as Germany, Ireland, Belgium, Spain and Denmark could see their economies go into recession if Britain crashes out of the EU without an agreement.

Ministers touring EU countries are reminding their counterparts about the benefits of a successful and strong Britain, hoping that in turn they will counter the more hardline approach pushed by Mr Juncker.

marantz1300

£60 Billion.

It's just the beginning.

Fretwired

marantz1300 said:

£60 Billion.

It's just the beginning.

I see you've inflated the price in good old tabloid fashion ..... ;-)

FX_Munkee

Fretwired said:

marantz1300 said:

£60 Billion.

It's just the beginning.

I see you've inflated the price in good old tabloid fashion ..... ;-)

Give it time...

Brize

guitars4you said:

you just suspected at the time, that straight after the result it was never going to be a simple done and dusted deal - for many and whatever reason

Yep, the EU is like Hotel California.

Ravenous

I guess half of it will be our regular membership costs for the next two years. He's giving an exaggerated number to prevent other deserters.

guitars4you

Brize said:

guitars4you said:

you just suspected at the time, that straight after the result it was never going to be a simple done and dusted deal - for many and whatever reason

Yep, the EU is like Hotel California.

do you mean

'This could be heaven or this could be Hell

or

Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)

or

"We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"

marantz1300

or 
they kil us with their steely knifes
and you just can't leave

Brize

guitars4you said:

Brize said:

guitars4you said:

you just suspected at the time, that straight after the result it was never going to be a simple done and dusted deal - for many and whatever reason

Yep, the EU is like Hotel California.

do you mean

'This could be heaven or this could be Hell

or

Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)

or

"We are all just prisoners here, of our own device"

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave...