Next Gardiner and Houlgate Auction - March 16th

HarrySeven

guitars4you said:

Bridgehouse said:

@guitars4you  their literature makes a big thing of "it's up to you to verify authenticity and is nowt to do with us"

In their Ts & Cs and everything..

I assumed that would be the case - a legit dealer would never get away with that - They don't confirm what it is, or what it isn't and no come back - excellent !!!!!

Which is another reason I dislike purchasing in this manner - it's an absolute "hands-off, walk away from the wreckage" means of selling.

Bridgehouse

HarrySeven said:

guitars4you said:

Bridgehouse said:

@guitars4you  their literature makes a big thing of "it's up to you to verify authenticity and is nowt to do with us"

In their Ts & Cs and everything..

I assumed that would be the case - a legit dealer would never get away with that - They don't confirm what it is, or what it isn't and no come back - excellent !!!!!

Which is another reason I dislike purchasing in this manner - it's an absolute "hands-off, walk away from the wreckage" means of selling.

When was the last time you walked away from a guitar that was basically wreckage?

SteveRobinson

guitars4you said:

the perils of buying vintage ?

have you seen lot #29 - any comments regarding the players grade 55 LP Junior 

Clive Brown says he did paint this one, so I'm told by a friend who fancies buying it. 

IvisonGuitars

guitars4you said:

fretfinder said:

SteveRobinson said:

Bygone_Tones said:

and this of course:

Surely a refin?

GH told me the finish had been authenticated as original by Clive Brown! But it looks every inch the refinish to every other expert I know who has seen the pics. It was in the previous auction and didn't reach its reserve. 

Interesting concept regarding any 'dubious' finish

what come back do you have against GH - on the sales particular it does not state anything about it been or indeed not been original - or indeed 'authenticated by Clive Brown' - In the condition of sales I dare say it covers them, on the basis that goods can be inspected for viewing, so buyer beware I suppose - as long as it is not a total 'fake' then it gets rid of any come back against GH - yet a dealer can apply the same principal, as the buyer would want it in writing that it is an original finish - 10 penneth on your thoughts

Factory Refin. The stamp is conducive to how Gibson stamped factory re-finished guitars. It belonged/belongs to a forum member here.

IvisonGuitars

guitars4you said:

have you seen lot #29 - any comments regarding the players grade 55 LP Junior 

It looks straight enough BUT it'll always be a refin Sunburst Junior so i'd value that at a dealer price of £2.5k max. Will be interesting to see what it ends up as.

guitars4you

miserneil said:

guitars4you said:

have you seen lot #29 - any comments regarding the players grade 55 LP Junior 

It looks straight enough BUT it'll always be a refin Sunburst Junior so i'd value that at a dealer price of £2.5k max. Will be interesting to see what it ends up as.

I can't see it selling at its guide line price, which they show as 1K max - surely will exceed that - at least you have the option of 'customising' it as required for a good players grade model and retain some vintage character

Bygone_Tones

HarrySeven said:

guitars4you said:

Bridgehouse said:

@guitars4you  their literature makes a big thing of "it's up to you to verify authenticity and is nowt to do with us"

In their Ts & Cs and everything..

I assumed that would be the case - a legit dealer would never get away with that - They don't confirm what it is, or what it isn't and no come back - excellent !!!!!

Which is another reason I dislike purchasing in this manner - it's an absolute "hands-off, walk away from the wreckage" means of selling.

I dont have a problem with it. It's an auction house, not a shop, and thats just how they operate.  Usually two days of viewing so that you can inspect the item and do your homework, then bid accordingly on the day. So it is down to the buyer to do all the work.  If you dont do the research, then you only have yourself to blame if you end up disappointed.

guitars4you

Bygone_Tones said:

HarrySeven said:

guitars4you said:

Bridgehouse said:

@guitars4you  their literature makes a big thing of "it's up to you to verify authenticity and is nowt to do with us"

In their Ts & Cs and everything..

I assumed that would be the case - a legit dealer would never get away with that - They don't confirm what it is, or what it isn't and no come back - excellent !!!!!

Which is another reason I dislike purchasing in this manner - it's an absolute "hands-off, walk away from the wreckage" means of selling.

I dont have a problem with it. It's an auction house, not a shop, and thats just how they operate.  Usually two days of viewing so that you can inspect the item and do your homework, then bid accordingly on the day. So it is down to the buyer to do all the work.  If you dont do the research, then you only have yourself to blame if you end up disappointed.

I agree to a large degree - but many potential customers don't have enough knowledge, so on one hand you can say fine, don't buy - But if you get it back home and fine issues then tough is what G&H will say - No decent vintage based dealer can operate like that (some do I know but they quickly get found out) - Will they allow you to fully strip down and evaluate say an old Strat on the viewing days ? - A private seller can operate in this manner, so I fully appreciate it is then a case of buyer beware - But a legit business that is now trying to acquire a decent reputation in the vintage market place is on some what of a freebie - My opinion won't change anything I know,  but I think it is only fair that less knowledgable potential buyers are aware of such a practice

IvisonGuitars

Certainly agree with the points here but IMO researching the guitar you are interested in buying and also the model itself to the nth degree is imperative when buying a vintage guitar. Also a knowledge of common repairs/ how to spot fixes etc is a given too. These days, with the benefit of experience I take the word of a vintage dealer with about as much credence as I do that of Donald Trump.

HarrySeven

Bridgehouse said:

HarrySeven said:

guitars4you said:

Bridgehouse said:

@guitars4you  their literature makes a big thing of "it's up to you to verify authenticity and is nowt to do with us"

In their Ts & Cs and everything..

I assumed that would be the case - a legit dealer would never get away with that - They don't confirm what it is, or what it isn't and no come back - excellent !!!!!

Which is another reason I dislike purchasing in this manner - it's an absolute "hands-off, walk away from the wreckage" means of selling.

When was the last time you walked away from a guitar that was basically wreckage?

Hmmmm...that's a tricky one...certainly some time ago...

HarrySeven

Bygone_Tones said:

I dont have a problem with it. It's an auction house, not a shop, and thats just how they operate.  Usually two days of viewing so that you can inspect the item and do your homework, then bid accordingly on the day. So it is down to the buyer to do all the work.  If you dont do the research, then you only have yourself to blame if you end up disappointed.

Personally, I've never been keen on auctions (of any sort) - but that's just me.

Bygone_Tones

HarrySeven said:

Bygone_Tones said:

I dont have a problem with it. It's an auction house, not a shop, and thats just how they operate.  Usually two days of viewing so that you can inspect the item and do your homework, then bid accordingly on the day. So it is down to the buyer to do all the work.  If you dont do the research, then you only have yourself to blame if you end up disappointed.

Personally, I've never been keen on auctions (of any sort) - but that's just me.

Says the guy with the reputation for churning out threads about ebay guitars.

Bridgehouse

Bygone_Tones said:

HarrySeven said:

Bygone_Tones said:

I dont have a problem with it. It's an auction house, not a shop, and thats just how they operate.  Usually two days of viewing so that you can inspect the item and do your homework, then bid accordingly on the day. So it is down to the buyer to do all the work.  If you dont do the research, then you only have yourself to blame if you end up disappointed.

Personally, I've never been keen on auctions (of any sort) - but that's just me.

Says the guy with the reputation for churning out threads about ebay guitars.

To be fair, a good portion of them are buy it now

guitars4you

any updates appreciated of any who attend regarding prices - bargains or wow that is OTT on price

IvisonGuitars

guitars4you said:

any updates appreciated of any who attend regarding prices - bargains or wow that is OTT on price

You can watch the auction online Mark and chuckle along like I'm doing ;-)

Strat54

Still trying to figure if the Clive Brown Esquire had an overly large pickguard or an undersized body that's been sanded down too much, either way the pickguard is on the edge of the body! 

guitars4you

miserneil said:

guitars4you said:

any updates appreciated of any who attend regarding prices - bargains or wow that is OTT on price

You can watch the auction online Mark and chuckle along like I'm doing ;-)

I'll look at results later - did not know there is a live 'viewing as such - I thought you might be there

IvisonGuitars

guitars4you said:

miserneil said:

guitars4you said:

any updates appreciated of any who attend regarding prices - bargains or wow that is OTT on price

You can watch the auction online Mark and chuckle along like I'm doing ;-)

I'll look at results later - did not know there is a live 'viewing as such - I thought you might be there

Na, IMO there's no real bargains to be had and with all the 'stuff of interest' one is competing with Atoyboy, Nottingham City Guitars and any other eBay/bedroom dealer with a bit of capital behind them. 

@Strat54 Clive Brown Esquire went for £480 + 24% fees.

Strat54

Listening to it now.....who's buying this junk? The CB Esquire went for £480 plus fees.

BloodEagle

Yeah, loads of 'custom built' fenders styles going for about double what theyre worth - I dont understand why people are buying them - if its to sell they are going to have a very hard time making a profit