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https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=woman+killed+by+a+cyclist+on+the+pavement
It seems death and injury caused by cyclists is well documented and significant. I was hit by a middle aged woman cycling too fast and sent flying. She sped off and left me there. I damaged my knee and can no longer run so I fucking hate cyclists on pavements.
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Death and injury caused by cyclists exists, and it is well documented. Correct. But it isn't significant. Not when compared with cars, trucks, and other HGV's.
It seems to me that these e-scooters are a lot more dangerous than bikes, because of a few things:
- The type of person riding an e-scooter (usually younger, less experienced, less concerned with everyone around them, more of a modern "fuck you" attitude)
- The type of places where e-scooters are ridden (you do see them predominantly on the pavement, in public parks, and I've even seen them in shopping malls and cinemas!)
To me it seems that they're capable of greater speeds than bikes, faster acceleration, and in the wrong hands, are far more dangerous.
And, of course, how regulated they are.
Indeed...my perspective is that with effort you can easily hit greater speeds on a bike. Back when I used to cycle a lot, it wasn't unusual for me to get to 30-40mph, and on a few occasions faster (actually 54mph was my record, but that was fucking terrifying and not an experience I'd care to repeat). So...bikes can get to much higher speeds than e-scooters.
What they can't do is get to those speeds anywhere you'd see a pedestrian. You need a clear run, a good surface and absolutely zero potential hazards to dodge.
It also requires a level of physical fitness that most folk won't ever reach.
E-scooters have none of those barriers to get to speeds where they'd present a clear danger to anybody in the vicinity; it's entirely down to how ballsy (and stupid) the rider is. Add to that the fact that, at any speed greater than walking pace, they're inherently less stable (by design) than a bike, and you've created a situation where they present a very real and direct danger to anybody in front of them. I would argue that all hands are the wrong hands when ridden in public.
i used to ride my bmx on the pavement as it was safer , car riders are notoriously bad here
If regulation gets involved , you’ll probably end up having to wear a helmet , tax insurance etc and once again people who are less well off will suffer
For the avoidance of doubt, I want to declare that I also fucking hate seeing cyclists and e-scooters on pavements.
Jon
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But they are illegal so you are only getting a relatively small number of people riding them.
The thing about e-scooters was they are small, light and fast.
You can fold them up and take them on public transport.
You can carry them into places.
They are convenient and fit into people's lives better than bikes do.
Bikes are bigger, heavier, more easily stolen (because you have to lock them up outside) and you can't take them into shops.
You're also supposed to ride the on the road, which most people do.
What this means in practical terms is you will see a lot of the-scooters on the footpaths if they are legalised.
My year in Singapore was spent dodging commuters and delivery drivers riding on footpaths, usually on their phones.
At night you don't hear them and you don't see them.
If/when mass adoption occurs you will see what I mean.
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All these things should have, at least, a bell by law.
I think there is a place for them if they are made much slower. If you are limited to a more sensible speed (maybe 7 mph) they will be much safer on pavements. Roads aren't really an option due to potholes.
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They are illegal in this country for use on public roads unless they are the official rental type with indicators etc. The police do confiscate them here and fine now and then but there just aren't that many coppers patrolling these days so 99% of scooter riders on private scooters get away with it.
escooters I’ve come across are flying around at 20/30mph weaving in and out of people, it’s a game and it’s way more dangerous than bicycles.
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https://www.wired.com/2015/06/copenhagenize-worlds-most-bike-friendly-cities/
Deaths: 1580
Seriously injured can range from a cut or broken limb to being left in a vegetative state.