Burglar got killed

underdog

Phil_aka_Pip said:

darthed1981 said:

They think we hate them, and they hate us, it makes it hard to solve problems.

Rightly or wrongly this is true. "Gypsies" (or more properly, the "Roma") have always had an unjustifiably hard time in Europe, and I think this may help explain their attitude. A German prince in the 1700s declared that any Gypsy male over 18 was "fair game" and if someone topped him no murder charge would ensue. Face with that kind of hatred it is not surprising that they hate and/or despise us in return.

That's silly though, Back people were treated terribly by almost every other "white" race in history at some point, but the only issue still remains today is prejudice against them, not by them.

Gypsies hate our society and way of life but are happy to use our benefits system, steal from our houses etc. It's out of control largely because they know the police are too scared to do anything about it.

MattBanshee

underdog said:

Phil_aka_Pip said:

darthed1981 said:

They think we hate them, and they hate us, it makes it hard to solve problems.

Rightly or wrongly this is true. "Gypsies" (or more properly, the "Roma") have always had an unjustifiably hard time in Europe, and I think this may help explain their attitude. A German prince in the 1700s declared that any Gypsy male over 18 was "fair game" and if someone topped him no murder charge would ensue. Face with that kind of hatred it is not surprising that they hate and/or despise us in return.

That's silly though, Back people were treated terribly by almost every other "white" race in history at some point, but the only issue still remains today is prejudice against them, not by them.

Gypsies hate our society and way of life but are happy to use our benefits system, steal from our houses etc. It's out of control largely because they know the police are too scared to do anything about it.

Roma gypsies and Irish travellers are two totally different things.

I work in retail marketing for a tech manufacturer, and often visit retail stores. I have personally encountered a 6'4" irish traveller walk into a store, tell the salesman he was helping himself to whatever he liked, stop him if he dares.

A colleague later encountered the same guy in another part of the country. A young female employee called 999 whilst he was robbing the place up, so he punched her in the face and knocked her out cold.

underdog

MattBanshee said:

underdog said:

Phil_aka_Pip said:

darthed1981 said:

They think we hate them, and they hate us, it makes it hard to solve problems.

Rightly or wrongly this is true. "Gypsies" (or more properly, the "Roma") have always had an unjustifiably hard time in Europe, and I think this may help explain their attitude. A German prince in the 1700s declared that any Gypsy male over 18 was "fair game" and if someone topped him no murder charge would ensue. Face with that kind of hatred it is not surprising that they hate and/or despise us in return.

That's silly though, Back people were treated terribly by almost every other "white" race in history at some point, but the only issue still remains today is prejudice against them, not by them.

Gypsies hate our society and way of life but are happy to use our benefits system, steal from our houses etc. It's out of control largely because they know the police are too scared to do anything about it.

Roma gypsies and Irish travellers are two totally different things.

I work in retail marketing for a tech manufacturer, and often visit retail stores. I have personally encountered a 6'4" irish traveller walk into a store, tell the salesman he was helping himself to whatever he liked, stop him if he dares.

A colleague later encountered the same guy in another part of the country. A young female employee called 999 whilst he was robbing the place up, so he punched her in the face and knocked her out cold.

Aye, loveable rogues huh? I've had business with some local gypsies via my fathers business and they've always been ok to deal with, though always trying to claim the agreed price was 20% lower, but they do horrible things. Cruel to people and animals as a way of life.

On the Roma side of it, my daughter goes to school with a girl whos family have been living in the UK a few years, she's very pleasant, but her 22 year old brother has a 14 year old girlfriend he's proud to have got pregnant. 

Heartfeltdawn

darthed1981 said:

57Deluxe said:

Fretwired said:

How do travellers get away with it?

Human bloody Rights and all the leftie doo-gooders jumping up and down in their homebrew knitwear...

See I don't think that has a huge impact, they get away with it partly because they are clever and partly because of the way UK policing works.

They are clever in that committing low-level crimes, so not raping or murdering or child snatching but thieving, fighting and dog-napping, only gets a certain level of police response. 

There is no way a single police officer or two officers would risk or be allowed to risk going into a travellers site at night, so they have two choices.  They call in the riot vans, spend thousands and probably not charge anyone, or just let them go.  Then next morning they go down and talk to a few people, but the evidence is gone.

The way UK law enforcement works element is our police are policing "by consent", i.e. they enforce the law on the principle that most people are law abiding and support what they are doing.  This is what makes the UK police much more friendly and less feared than they are in many countries.

The main weakness of policing by consent is that when you are faced with a community with their own society and rules who have utter contempt for our society and rules, they lack the tools and means to deal with it.  They think we hate them, and they hate us, it makes it hard to solve problems.

This. It's similar to how online fraudsters get away with things as we have seen in this forum. Their crimes dictate a low level of response and it's considered a waste of resources to take things further.

Garthy

Fretwired said:

VimFuego said:

personally, if it was my son who'd been killed whilst trying to assault with a deadly weapon an elderly man and a disabled woman, the last thing I'd be doing is putting up tributes to the cunt. I'd be looking at myself and wondering where I'd gone wrong.
vive la difference, apparently. 

Agree.

I'm amazed the police haven't taken action. The homeowner's fence they are using is less than impressed - his property is being damaged. Apparently the family of the deceased have threatened the guy who took the latest lot of tributes down.

How do travellers get away with it?

Adding further to others comments, there’s also a lot of voices defending them or playing devils advocate- look at the first few pages of this thread for example. 

scrumhalf

The burglar's death is entirely his own fault. If he hadn't gone out to commit robbery the overwhelming likelihood is that he would still be alive.

That he may have been someone's son or father or husband is true, but if you want to be able to use those facts as justification for erectring some sort of shrine then you have toalso admit that being a son/father/husband seemed to have no effect on his decision to be a low-life pensioner-robbing thieving git.

Had he cared about his children he wouldn't have set such a bad example for them. Had he cared about his parents or spouse he wouldn't have exposed them to the grief they now profess to suffer by acting in the way he did.

We're getting pretty close to the man on trial for murdering his parents asking for mitigation becase he's an orphan.

Fretwired

Garthy said:

Adding further to others comments, there’s also a lot of voices defending them or playing devils advocate- look at the first few pages of this thread for example. 

I didn't see anyone defending anyone. I saw people who didn't want to jump to conclusions. The police arrested a homeowner on suspicion of murder - the media jumped on the bandwagon to sell content and people on here were sharpening their pitchforks without having all the facts.

As it happens it was self-defence, the guy who was killed was a serial criminal who came from a criminal family with a history of robbing old people.

In my view putting up flowers is a provocation. I bet if Britain First were trying to the the same for one of their own killed whilst attacking a Muslim in a predominantly Muslim area the police would stop them.

Travellers and Gypsies are protected and classed as ethnic groups. The police already get accused of discriminating against them so they just turn a blind eye.

Alvin

Fretwired said:

Garthy said:

Adding further to others comments, there’s also a lot of voices defending them or playing devils advocate- look at the first few pages of this thread for example. 

I didn't see anyone defending anyone. I saw people who didn't want to jump to conclusions. The police arrested a homeowner on suspicion of murder - the media jumped on the bandwagon to sell content and people on here were sharpening their pitchforks without having all the facts.

As it happens it was self-defence, the guy who was killed was a serial criminal who came from a criminal family with a history of robbing old people.

In my view putting up flowers is a provocation. I bet if Britain First were trying to the the same for one of their own killed whilst attacking a Muslim in a predominantly Muslim area the police would stop them.

Travellers and Gypsies are protected and classed as ethnic groups. The police already get accused of discriminating against them so they just turn a blind eye.

   "people on here sharpening there pitchforks"

     "  I love the fact that people have their mind made up about this case on the drivel written in tabloid newspapers based on hearsay from a few neighbours"


    This is a public forum on which we are all allowed to voice an opinion .   You are presuming an awfull lot from a few comments on here .   Why do we need all the facts before we are allowed to have a viewpoint  ?   We don't , most people on here are probably generalising about this incident or any similar incident that could happen .
    This is about having the right to be safe in your own home .

Heartfeltdawn

Fretwired said:

In my view putting up flowers is a provocation. I bet if Britain First were trying to the the same for one of their own killed whilst attacking a Muslim in a predominantly Muslim area the police would stop them.

Travellers and Gypsies are protected and classed as ethnic groups. The police already get accused of discriminating against them so they just turn a blind eye.

If it was Britain First, they'd almost certainly end up memorialising a British 'patriot' using Dutch tulips. 

Fretwired

Alvin said:

Fretwired said:

Garthy said:

Adding further to others comments, there’s also a lot of voices defending them or playing devils advocate- look at the first few pages of this thread for example. 

I didn't see anyone defending anyone. I saw people who didn't want to jump to conclusions. The police arrested a homeowner on suspicion of murder - the media jumped on the bandwagon to sell content and people on here were sharpening their pitchforks without having all the facts.

As it happens it was self-defence, the guy who was killed was a serial criminal who came from a criminal family with a history of robbing old people.

In my view putting up flowers is a provocation. I bet if Britain First were trying to the the same for one of their own killed whilst attacking a Muslim in a predominantly Muslim area the police would stop them.

Travellers and Gypsies are protected and classed as ethnic groups. The police already get accused of discriminating against them so they just turn a blind eye.

   "people on here sharpening there pitchforks"

     "  I love the fact that people have their mind made up about this case on the drivel written in tabloid newspapers based on hearsay from a few neighbours"


    This is a public forum on which we are all allowed to voice an opinion .   You are presuming an awfull lot from a few comments on here .   Why do we need all the facts before we are allowed to have a viewpoint  ?   We don't , most people on here are probably generalising about this incident or any similar incident that could happen .
    This is about having the right to be safe in your own home .

I was responding to criticism that some people were defending the murderer. I merely pointed out that some of us had open minds and waited for evidence of what actually happened. Voice an opinion by all means, but be prepared to be challenged. Love the way you take some quotes out of context - work for the Sun? If you want to criticise me then quote me properly .. "people on here were sharpening their pitchforks without having all the facts." Somewhat different to the way you're trying to spin it.

Fretwired

Interesting development. Police have warned vigilantes not to tear down floral tributes left by the family of a dead burglar outside the house he had broken into. In a statement, Chief Superintendent Simon Dobinson, the Lewisham borough commander, said: “I do not want anyone to feel intimidated or that they are not being allowed to respond in a dignified way to a tragic death."

So local people tearing down tributes to a criminal are now vigilantes ...

darthed1981

^^ He is probably trying to prevent an escalation.

Chalky

darthed1981 said:

^^ He is probably trying to prevent an escalation.

By giving in to the lawbreakers and warning the law-abiders?

Its called appeasement.

p90fool

Chalky said:

darthed1981 said:

^^ He is probably trying to prevent an escalation.

By giving in to the lawbreakers and warning the law-abiders?

Its called appeasement.

Technically it's the opposite. 

underdog

p90fool said:

Chalky said:

darthed1981 said:

^^ He is probably trying to prevent an escalation.

By giving in to the lawbreakers and warning the law-abiders?

Its called appeasement.

Technically it's the opposite. 

Is it though? I'd say whoever owns the fence has every right to remove them.

Fretwired

underdog said:

p90fool said:

Chalky said:

darthed1981 said:

^^ He is probably trying to prevent an escalation.

By giving in to the lawbreakers and warning the law-abiders?

Its called appeasement.

Technically it's the opposite. 

Is it though? I'd say whoever owns the fence has every right to remove them.

Unfortunately he doesn't. It's a pensioner who is not very mobile and he doesn't like them and wants them removed. Police have confirmed that people removing the flowers will be arrested.

Phil_aka_Pip

Would spraying them with acid or other plant-eating chemical be illegal? (So long as nobody else got sprayed while you were at it)

57Deluxe

is turning into a war now... Totally despicable

57Deluxe

Fretwired said:

Interesting development. Police have warned vigilantes not to tear down floral tributes left by the family of a dead burglar outside the house he had broken into. In a statement, Chief Superintendent Simon Dobinson, the Lewisham borough commander, said: “I do not want anyone to feel intimidated or that they are not being allowed to respond in a dignified way to a tragic death."

So local people tearing down tributes to a criminal are now vigilantes ...

excuse me, but 1. surely keep littering the street is one bylaw broken and 2. to continually provoke through this action is tantamount to causing a public disturbance?? Do the Police not go to Police School any more?

Fretwired

57Deluxe said:

Fretwired said:

Interesting development. Police have warned vigilantes not to tear down floral tributes left by the family of a dead burglar outside the house he had broken into. In a statement, Chief Superintendent Simon Dobinson, the Lewisham borough commander, said: “I do not want anyone to feel intimidated or that they are not being allowed to respond in a dignified way to a tragic death."

So local people tearing down tributes to a criminal are now vigilantes ...

excuse me, but 1. surely keep littering the street is one bylaw broken and 2. to continually provoke through this action is tantamount to causing a public disturbance?? Do the Police not go to Police School any more?

I think the Gypsies played their 'We can do what the fuck we like or you're a racist' card .. very powerful. We have a major fly tipping problem where I live and most of it is done by local Gypsies. People have filmed them doing it but the police aren't interested. If I don't pay my road tax the bastards would be on top of me like a ton of bricks.

I shall change my name to Gypsy Boy Fretwired .... I don't have to tax or insure my car and can drive at whatever speed I like and pin flowers to your fence.