Gibson warning video over trademark infringements

Kittyfrisk

Simon_M said:

Kittyfrisk said:

Anyone seen this manufacturer's guitars.
https://maybach-guitars.de/en

Chopper Agnesi will getcha 

Their line of guitars is very imaginatively derivative. 

FTFY 

crunchman

GoldenEraGuitars said:

Gibson’s last few Instagram posts are farcical. I don’t think anyone has commented on the post itself. Absolutely hilarious 

Thanks for that.  I just went and had a look.  Very funny.

Jez6345789

I know this has run on and on but something that surprised me was that Agnessi did not have the brains or  balls to say no, this is not what you hired me for as Director of internet and brand experience or whatever the title is he has. This is not how building a brand is done in the world of the Internet. Keep social media out of legal. it’s a fact that as the likeable bloke from Norms who loves guitars persona Gibson not only screwed themselves bigstyle they also screwed Agnessi.  Now what kudos or capital does he  have with customers and the guitar market.

The fact that he either either agreed or rolled over says the honey moon period for JC is over with the public. They got an unprecedented amount of PR from the Gibson is back that was pushed around by all media commentators. 

Hey ho

Simon_M

Kittyfrisk said:

Simon_M said:

Kittyfrisk said:

Anyone seen this manufacturer's guitars.
https://maybach-guitars.de/en

Chopper Agnesi will getcha 

Their line of guitars is very imaginatively derivative. 

FTFY 

Ah yes, that’s what I meant.

GoldenEraGuitars

crunchman said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

Gibson’s last few Instagram posts are farcical. I don’t think anyone has commented on the post itself. Absolutely hilarious 

Thanks for that.  I just went and had a look.  Very funny.

It’s certainly not going away is it? Gibson have screwed themselves big time 

Simon_M

GoldenEraGuitars said:

crunchman said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

Gibson’s last few Instagram posts are farcical. I don’t think anyone has commented on the post itself. Absolutely hilarious 

Thanks for that.  I just went and had a look.  Very funny.

It’s certainly not going away is it? Gibson have screwed themselves big time 

It will eventually go away but before that I'm hoping Gibson does actually issue a proper apology and pull the lawsuit against Dean. That would be the dignified thing to do (and lower prices a smidgen). If Mark has any sense he will resign and take a better job elsewhere before all credibility is lost.

Mickeyji

Simon_M said:

Kittyfrisk said:

Simon_M said:

Kittyfrisk said:

Anyone seen this manufacturer's guitars.
https://maybach-guitars.de/en

Chopper Agnesi will getcha 

Their line of guitars is very imaginatively derivative. 

FTFY 

Ah yes, that’s what I meant.

Interesting factoid: the parent company of Maybach guitars, iMusicnetwork also owns the Larson Brothers name and associated trademarks and since Larson Brothers implemented the Open-Book headstock design before Gibson, theoretically iMusicnetwork could sue Gibson for trademark and design infringement...

GoldenEraGuitars

Reverend already getting prepared....

https://i.imgur.com/kDWuuxF.jpg

Three-ColourSunburst

GoldenEraGuitars said:

It’s certainly not going away is it? Gibson have screwed themselves big time 

It's not going to go away because ultimately all the criticism that is being levelled at Gibson is about a lot more than a threatening video. That video has just become a focal point, highlighting the fact that Gibson is still just another aggressive, profit-driven American corporation, exploiting clever marketing and BS to sell often shoddily made goods for an extortionate price.

That video is also an admission of failure and defeat by Gibson. They know that one can buy a 'look alike' guitar that is 95% plus as good as any Gibson (and better than many) for 1/10 the price, and one that is better than any Gibson for half the price. What they should be doing is focusing on quality and value, but clearly consider themselves to be incapable of doing so, and only able to 'compete' by eliminating the competition.

guitars4you

Jez6345789 said:

I know this has run on and on but something that surprised me was that Agnessi did not have the brains or  balls to say no, this is not what you hired me for as Director of internet and brand experience or whatever the title is he has. This is not how building a brand is done in the world of the Internet. Keep social media out of legal. it’s a fact that as the likeable bloke from Norms who loves guitars persona Gibson not only screwed themselves bigstyle they also screwed Agnessi.  Now what kudos or capital does he  have with customers and the guitar market.

The fact that he either either agreed or rolled over says the honey moon period for JC is over with the public. They got an unprecedented amount of PR from the Gibson is back that was pushed around by all media commentators. 

Hey ho

Good post - I agree that Agnessi has probably been sucked into the headlights of a corporate machine and dare not stand up for his own integrity - Gibson Guitars have many attributes but this latest activity is not one of them 

prowla

terada said:

The Marshall knob is a dead give-away 

I'm sure that's an Orange.

Fifty9

They really needed to have turned around the brand perception re quality & value before going public with this kind of thing. Knock yourselves out going legal but only on the quiet.

ICBM

Three-ColourSunburst said:

That video has just become a focal point, highlighting the fact that Gibson is still just another aggressive, profit-driven American corporation, exploiting clever marketing and BS to sell often shoddily made goods for an extortionate price.

You mean like Levi's?




Which I like and wear, by the way - but there's no doubt that the quality is variable and not like it used to be. And I would never pay full retail prices in one of their own-brand shops - I get mine from Costco or occasionally charity shops.

darthed1981

Three-ColourSunburst said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

It’s certainly not going away is it? Gibson have screwed themselves big time 

It's not going to go away because ultimately all the criticism that is being levelled at Gibson is about a lot more than a threatening video. That video has just become a focal point, highlighting the fact that Gibson is still just another aggressive, profit-driven American corporation, exploiting clever marketing and BS to sell often shoddily made goods for an extortionate price.

That video is also an admission of failure and defeat by Gibson. They know that one can buy a 'look alike' guitar that is 95% plus as good as any Gibson (and better than many) for 1/10 the price, and one that is better than any Gibson for half the price. What they should be doing is focusing on quality and value, but clearly consider themselves to be incapable of doing so, and only able to 'compete' by eliminating the competition.

It may be a bit worse than that.

Gibson's IP is being used to hoover up cash by venture capitalists, they may well be asset stripping like crazy.

Then they go properly bust, and all the debt disappears.

Then a couple of years later, the IP gets sold to a Chinese firm and we get "super good number one Gibson Les Paul" for £250 on eBay (probably better built than the ones costing £2600 now)...

57Deluxe

pmbomb said:

57Deluxe said:

how much do I have to pay to display the headstock logo in a public place now then??

Nothing.

Logos are taped over to avoid giving free product placement.

ah yes has been the rule of thought - but Agnisi seemingly inferred otherwise...

terada

darthed1981 said:

Three-ColourSunburst said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

It’s certainly not going away is it? Gibson have screwed themselves big time 

It's not going to go away because ultimately all the criticism that is being levelled at Gibson is about a lot more than a threatening video. That video has just become a focal point, highlighting the fact that Gibson is still just another aggressive, profit-driven American corporation, exploiting clever marketing and BS to sell often shoddily made goods for an extortionate price.

That video is also an admission of failure and defeat by Gibson. They know that one can buy a 'look alike' guitar that is 95% plus as good as any Gibson (and better than many) for 1/10 the price, and one that is better than any Gibson for half the price. What they should be doing is focusing on quality and value, but clearly consider themselves to be incapable of doing so, and only able to 'compete' by eliminating the competition.

It may be a bit worse than that.

Gibson's IP is being used to hoover up cash by venture capitalists, they may well be asset stripping like crazy.

Then they go properly bust, and all the debt disappears.

Then a couple of years later, the IP gets sold to a Chinese firm and we get "super good number one Gibson Les Paul" for £250 on eBay (probably better built than the ones costing £2600 now)...

Not sure whether that would even be such a bad thing

prlgmnr

Gibson have, intentionally or not, got everyone talking about Gibson.

The chap from Reverend above has clearly cottoned on to a way to leverage a bit of this his way.

darthed1981

terada said:

darthed1981 said:

Three-ColourSunburst said:

GoldenEraGuitars said:

It’s certainly not going away is it? Gibson have screwed themselves big time 

It's not going to go away because ultimately all the criticism that is being levelled at Gibson is about a lot more than a threatening video. That video has just become a focal point, highlighting the fact that Gibson is still just another aggressive, profit-driven American corporation, exploiting clever marketing and BS to sell often shoddily made goods for an extortionate price.

That video is also an admission of failure and defeat by Gibson. They know that one can buy a 'look alike' guitar that is 95% plus as good as any Gibson (and better than many) for 1/10 the price, and one that is better than any Gibson for half the price. What they should be doing is focusing on quality and value, but clearly consider themselves to be incapable of doing so, and only able to 'compete' by eliminating the competition.

It may be a bit worse than that.

Gibson's IP is being used to hoover up cash by venture capitalists, they may well be asset stripping like crazy.

Then they go properly bust, and all the debt disappears.

Then a couple of years later, the IP gets sold to a Chinese firm and we get "super good number one Gibson Les Paul" for £250 on eBay (probably better built than the ones costing £2600 now)...

Not sure whether that would even be such a bad thing

I can't think of any other industry apart from Guitars where "made in the USA" is considered worthy of a premium price...

SteveRobinson

darthed1981 said:

I can't think of any other industry apart from Guitars where "made in the USA" is considered worthy of a premium price...

The aforementioned Levi jeans.

The pair I'm wearing were made in the Valencia Street SF factory.

darthed1981

SteveRobinson said:

darthed1981 said:

I can't think of any other industry apart from Guitars where "made in the USA" is considered worthy of a premium price...

The aforementioned Levi jeans.

The pair I'm wearing were made in the Valencia Street SF factory.

Don't tell me... they have unique "mojo" and they way they focus your farts gives great "tone"....?