The Doctor Who thread

frankus

I rather liked the "only other chair on Skaros" thing too.

Heartfeltdawn

axisus said:

Every time they wheel out Daleks there are a million of them and the whole Earth is under threat, and yet the best dalek story since Who returned featured just one dalek that wasn't defeated by fighting. THAT is the kind of innovative storyline that they should produce for EVERY EPISODE! not maybe 1 out of every 12.

I was trying to think of another Dalek episode throughout all of Who where the Daleks don't exterminate anything (discounting things like the Space Museum and The Big Bang where they're token elements). Despite being on Skaro, despite there being millions of Daleks, nobody dies. 

frankus

but that was because Missy had calibrated the teleporters to work at the same frequency as the Dalek's energy source..

you know like ... when... you wear black and are invincible to guns that are painted black.   

Snap

I haven't watched Dr Who in ages. I liked Christopher Ecclestone and then David Tennant in the role. Thought the shows were good, suitably dark in places as well.

I watched Saturday's episode. I thought it was diabolical. Really poor. Shouldn't this be on CBBC? Characters, acting, plot, script -  woeful.

What a let down.

english_bob

axisus said:

I really wish that Moffatt would fall on his sword and we could get a more intelligent, adult head producer/writer in. 

...to which someone will undoubtedly reply "oh, but it's a kids' show", as if writing for kids made it OK to write stupid incoherent nonsense.

Watch a few of Pixar's best films and tell me that you can't make stuff "for kids" that's also intelligent, thoughtful and emotionally satisfying.

Heartfeltdawn

frankus said:

but that was because Missy had calibrated the teleporters to work at the same frequency as the Dalek's energy source..

you know like ... when... you wear black and are invincible to guns that are painted black.   

In Who history, The Krotons were regarded as fairly crap monsters. Even they managed to shred Troughton's umbrella. The Skaro Daleks couldn't even scratch someone's sunglasses. 

bloodandtears

ICBM said:

Fretwired said:

Capaldi is an excellent Doctor but deserves better material than the drivel served up last Saturday.

+1

I thought it was very poor, worse than the first part. It's not Capaldi's fault, it's the writing - overdone, obvious, cartoony, contradictory (even for something so fictional) and just getting repetitive and silly.

This ^^

Last season's Robin Hood episode anyone??

All this said.. I will still watch and chuckle.

4114Effects

Just watched second episode. Meh.

Biggest problem I had was with Clara sitting in the Dalek shell. Daleks are tiny creatures and only occupy the top portion of the machine. No way Clara would have fit inside.

ICBM

4114Effects said:

Biggest problem I had was with Clara sitting in the Dalek shell. Daleks are tiny creatures and only occupy the top portion of the machine. No way Clara would have fit inside.

That's one of the things I meant about it being self-contradictory even in a highly fictional world. There is an established framework, if they start disregarding important parts of it to make weak plot devices it all gets pointless.

english_bob

ICBM said:

4114Effects said:

Biggest problem I had was with Clara sitting in the Dalek shell. Daleks are tiny creatures and only occupy the top portion of the machine. No way Clara would have fit inside.

That's one of the things I meant about it being self-contradictory even in a highly fictional world. There is an established framework, if they start disregarding important parts of it to make weak plot devices it all gets pointless.

I'm sure they've had human characters inside Daleks before, and I'm not talking about "Inside the Dalek" or "Asylum of the Daleks".

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUruSWLWH7c

Fretwired

There have been human characters in Daleks from day one .. what gets me is the fact the Daleks know the Doctor has exterminated billions of their kind but they never think of exterminating him as soon as their eye stalks get sight of him. Major design flaw .. :-)

stickyfiddle

Caught up last night. Just rubbish. Good concept, meh plot and terrible writing. Capaldi and Clara are excellent but the material and direction is awful. Missy is middling, flitting between "ooh, good, clever evil person" and "basically just another companion but more annoying".

And everybody saved by the usual crutch of timey wimey and feelings.  

Fretwired

stickyfiddle said:

Caught up last night. Just rubbish. Good concept, meh plot and terrible writing. Capaldi and Clara are excellent but the material and direction is awful. Missy is middling, flitting between "ooh, good, clever evil person" and "basically just another companion but more annoying".

And everybody saved by the usual crutch of timey wimey and feelings.  

My feelings exactly .. crap writing. Some good actors wasted ..

stickyfiddle

Fretwired said:

stickyfiddle said:

Caught up last night. Just rubbish. Good concept, meh plot and terrible writing. Capaldi and Clara are excellent but the material and direction is awful. Missy is middling, flitting between "ooh, good, clever evil person" and "basically just another companion but more annoying".

And everybody saved by the usual crutch of timey wimey and feelings.  

My feelings exactly .. crap writing. Some good actors wasted ..

I'm beginning to wonder if Moffatt is secretly George Lucas. Great when he's writing and just pinging out ideas, REALLY BAD when he's got full control.

english_bob

stickyfiddle said:

Good concept, meh plot and terrible writing.

Annnnd that right there is Doctor Who in a nutshell.

axisus

Bloody hell! Dr Who tonight was superb. THIS is how it should be every time. My youngest daughter was well creeped out, I can't believe we have to wait a week for part two. 

TheMarlin

Every time I watch Dr Who, I berate myself for having wasted yet another portion of my life on utter crud.  This latest one was OK, but the previous one was dreadful, and the sonic sunglasses!!!!......I'm gonna find the writers house, and push cat poop through his letter box.  tw@t!

ICBM

This one was very good. Much more original and really creepy. Let's hope the resolution isn't overly trite or too reliant on sonic sunglasses...

Fretwired

Excellent episode with a cliffhanger .. like the old days.

suspiciousminds

Really enjoyed it, wasnt expecting the ending either.
Very good episode.