Guitarist-isms that make you cringe

stickyfiddle

paulmapp8306 said:

carlos said:

ICBM said:

"Hand made" is another one.

+1

All guitars are hand-made, even cheap ones. It's just that the hands are less skilled and have less time to do the job.

Are they?  No machines involved at all? 

I dont think there is such a thing as a "hand made" guitar...  there are variations of how MUCH is done by hand.. and also how conpetant the hand is, and how much time is spent etc.  

To be hand made, no machine shoukd be used... inc cnc machines cutting the wood....and presses cutting metal parts.

Now hand assembled or hand built (ie from pre made parts) is perfectly ok...

Where do you draw the line? Are power tools allowed... is it ok to use a router and template jig that doesn't let you make mistakes? 

paulmapp8306

ICBM said:

"poly" - poly *what*? Polyester and polyurethane are quite different materials. Used as a universal put-down for anything that isn't "nitro", which is not quite as bad.

Poly to me means polyphonic....

TrentGuitars

stickyfiddle said:

paulmapp8306 said:

carlos said:

ICBM said:

"Hand made" is another one.

+1

All guitars are hand-made, even cheap ones. It's just that the hands are less skilled and have less time to do the job.

Are they?  No machines involved at all? 

I dont think there is such a thing as a "hand made" guitar...  there are variations of how MUCH is done by hand.. and also how conpetant the hand is, and how much time is spent etc.  

To be hand made, no machine shoukd be used... inc cnc machines cutting the wood....and presses cutting metal parts.

Now hand assembled or hand built (ie from pre made parts) is perfectly ok...

Where do you draw the line? Are power tools allowed... is it ok to use a router and template jig that doesn't let you make mistakes? 

Nah mate no electrical pixies allowed, true hand made is with flint tools rived by hand 

boogieman

KevS said:

Seafoam Green...Fender had a Custom Colour called Foam Green,it was never originally called Seafoam Green.
It seems to be used to describe Surf Green,Foam Green,Daphne Blue etc..
Anything lighter Green or Remotely light Turquoise is Seafoam Fecking Green Apparently..

Medium Jumbo when referring to frets seems to cover a lot of sizes and is rather vague.
The Word Jumbo makes me think of a Large Elephant,ttherefore Jumbo should mean large..

I have also seen Tubescreamers described as Puke Green..
The only way your Puke would be that colour is if you had consumed a Pile of Green Poster Paint first.. 

PAF as one syllable rather than P.A.F.

Just the word "Killer" used to describe anything...

Just a thought too.. "Ball End" it isn't an effing ball..It doesn't resemble a ball in any way..  

Oh!! And products like Fast Fret and Nut sauce that claim to increase sustain..
I don't understand the physics there..Maybe I am missing something...

Forward Bow or Back Bow..I think Concave and Convex describes it better..

What type of finish is that....?..   Norwegian Blue Poly..

I don’t think the makers actually claim that these products increase sustain, just that they keep your strings clean and slippery for longer so they still feel and/or sound like new ones. 

paulmapp8306

ThePrettyDamned said:

Btrcu said:

Tex Mexico said:

Yeah.

"Player's guitar": This once-valuable guitar has been butchered by an amateur electrician, refinished by a blind man and transported in a bin bag attached to the rear axle of my car - but I have to think up some kind of way to pretend that somehow makes it better than a guitar in pristine condition, so there you are.

The other one is just listing what is clearly an EPIPHONE as "by Gibson" or just putting the word Gibson in front of Epiphone or in some cases not even bothering to include the word Epiphone. I still can't figure out what anyone hopes to achieve by doing that. They're two companies owned by the same people, and that make similar products. When you sell your VW do you advertise it as a Porsche?

Beyond that, frankly, and as evidenced by our friend Mark D Phillips (Guitar Ruiner/Destroyer, Phillips Craptone Conversions), what grates for me is when people use the incorrect jargon for guitars in an attempt to sound knowledgeable. Point to it, describe it in normal language or use the accepted terminology. Telling me that your "Fender Esquier Strato" has "tonal dials" fitted to its "scratchguard" near the "cable insert" just makes you sound like a try-hard dumbass.

Slightly off topic but in the same vein, but since when has "I couldn't care less" become "I could care less"? It gives the phrase a completely different meaning and is usually rendered pointless in the context of its usage because the person saying it actually usually means "I couldn't care less". Seems quite prevalent in the under 25s.

It's an American thing.

I don't know where it comes from - I always thought it was accent making "couldn't" sound like "could" but they type it the same way online so I'm not sure.

Maybe they really care and they want us to know! 

Maybe its a question not a statement.

paulmapp8306

ArchtopDave said:

Youtube videos, or even classes in the real world, where the first spoken words are "Hi Guys". I find this somewhat sexist, unless only males are present.

Why?  Its a generic term these days.

My daughter always greats her female friends with "hi guys" when the come to the foor. 

paulmapp8306

stickyfiddle said:

paulmapp8306 said:

carlos said:

ICBM said:

"Hand made" is another one.

+1

All guitars are hand-made, even cheap ones. It's just that the hands are less skilled and have less time to do the job.

Are they?  No machines involved at all? 

I dont think there is such a thing as a "hand made" guitar...  there are variations of how MUCH is done by hand.. and also how conpetant the hand is, and how much time is spent etc.  

To be hand made, no machine shoukd be used... inc cnc machines cutting the wood....and presses cutting metal parts.

Now hand assembled or hand built (ie from pre made parts) is perfectly ok...

Where do you draw the line? Are power tools allowed... is it ok to use a router and template jig that doesn't let you make mistakes? 

Indeed....  but surly hand made should mesn that.  Hand tools and human hands.   Thats why i dont think hand built exists ....in guitars at least.  

Assembled by hand does, hand finished does, but not hand built.

TrentGuitars

paulmapp8306 said:

stickyfiddle said:

paulmapp8306 said:

carlos said:

ICBM said:

"Hand made" is another one.

+1

All guitars are hand-made, even cheap ones. It's just that the hands are less skilled and have less time to do the job.

Are they?  No machines involved at all? 

I dont think there is such a thing as a "hand made" guitar...  there are variations of how MUCH is done by hand.. and also how conpetant the hand is, and how much time is spent etc.  

To be hand made, no machine shoukd be used... inc cnc machines cutting the wood....and presses cutting metal parts.

Now hand assembled or hand built (ie from pre made parts) is perfectly ok...

Where do you draw the line? Are power tools allowed... is it ok to use a router and template jig that doesn't let you make mistakes? 

Indeed....  but surly hand made should mesn that.  Hand tools and human hands.   Thats why i dont think hand built exists ....in guitars at least.  

Assembled by hand does, hand finished does, but not hand built.

I (and many other makers in here) don’t assemble my guitars, I make them with my hands from raw materials 

paulmapp8306

TrentGuitars said:

paulmapp8306 said:

stickyfiddle said:

paulmapp8306 said:

carlos said:

ICBM said:

"Hand made" is another one.

+1

All guitars are hand-made, even cheap ones. It's just that the hands are less skilled and have less time to do the job.

Are they?  No machines involved at all? 

I dont think there is such a thing as a "hand made" guitar...  there are variations of how MUCH is done by hand.. and also how conpetant the hand is, and how much time is spent etc.  

To be hand made, no machine shoukd be used... inc cnc machines cutting the wood....and presses cutting metal parts.

Now hand assembled or hand built (ie from pre made parts) is perfectly ok...

Where do you draw the line? Are power tools allowed... is it ok to use a router and template jig that doesn't let you make mistakes? 

Indeed....  but surly hand made should mesn that.  Hand tools and human hands.   Thats why i dont think hand built exists ....in guitars at least.  

Assembled by hand does, hand finished does, but not hand built.

I (and many other makers in here) don’t assemble my guitars, I make them with my hands from raw materials 

Indeed, im some some do.   The problem i have is there id no way to know how much is by hand if you can still use the term when part of the process isnt.

Its a bit padantic i know.

To me, power tools are fine, if there used in the builders hand. Same for jigs and such.  Once you use automation, such as cnc routers, its no longer truly hand made.  At that point its partly made by a machine controlled by a computer.

Unless there is an accepted definition of what automation id and isnt aloud to still be handmade, its kind of a pointless phrase.  It means different things to different people.

This does not diminish the skill of luthiers.  Taking machine cut parts, then hand shaping, sanding, finishing etc etc.  Fretwork  setup etc.  That is what is hand made means in practice, and thats where the skill is BUT its not truly hand made by the pure definition.   

I guess, hand built is accurate, hand made isnt.  

TINMAN82

“Tone is all in the fingers”

longshins

‘He could plug into a *insert random inanimate object* and make it sound good’

TeleMaster

Overdone guitar faces and excessive neck pulling. 

60cycles

ICBM said:

Axe

Thank you sir. Thank you so much.

Neil

fretfinder said:

Lester… 

Mentioned by me on this very thread in .........December 2013.  

Hurling_Fruitmig

Tannin said:

"Guys" has been gender-inclusive for many years. You are free to dislike it (I'm not mad keen on it myself, it smacks of Americanism) but you can freely use it to all-female, all-male, and mixed audiences.

Based on anecdotal evidence from a friend who works in a specialist training environment, you really can’t.

Hurling_Fruitmig

TeleMaster said:

Overdone guitar faces and excessive neck pulling. 

Beat me to it. I was going to state ‘gurning’.

newi123

`According to TPS...........`

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JJ72

Mick looking at Dan for approval ( and Dan nodding with eyes closed)  on that pedal show

M1ck

paulmapp8306 said:

ICBM said:

"poly" - poly *what*? Polyester and polyurethane are quite different materials. Used as a universal put-down for anything that isn't "nitro", which is not quite as bad.

Poly to me means polyphonic....

Polycarbonate to me! 

SteveRobinson

ICBM said:

"poly" - poly *what*? Polyester and polyurethane are quite different materials. Used as a universal put-down for anything that isn't "nitro", which is not quite as bad.

PolyMER?

Cellulose is also a polymer of course albeit a naturally occurring one, modified by nitration