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The SG and the Senn are some of the reasons the forum should be kept going. If I were in charge I would run as if Kim Jong Un and Anne of Green Gables were mods.
I think it has had more to do with the general rise of “handbags at ten paces” that seems to accompany some threads. I would imagine that resolving these “issues” is nearly a full time (and I assume unpaid) job for both Tony and Lee...
I may be wrong but I think the pair of them own and operate this domain... if that is the case and they are not getting any reward (monetary or emotionally) from this... whats in it for them to actually keep the site live? Why not just turn it off and be done with it?...
I havent been a member here for very long at all, if I’m honest I didn’t know about theFB until another member posted a link to a guitar I was selling on eBay... I signed up to defend the “doesn’t look realistic” and “it’s been overdone” comments about said guitar...
now that was one guitar, being sold by me!... look at how recently ATB guitars got lynched by members on here... look at the constant “chappers” bashing that goes on... look at the recent custom shop thread that had to be closed... the thread this morning about the @Alegree pickups video (more comments about the presenters style and hair than the actual product reviewed)...
I get that this is the “internet” and it offers a certain amount of anonymity... but... if you wouldn’t say these things to a person face to face on the real world... DONT say it on here!...
Im not suggesting for one moment that we all need to sit around hugging each other... but... a little more positive posting and a lot less negative posting by folk would have prevented the current situation...
We want more involvement from industry no?
We would like maybe the “deals” and “specials” that industry may offer us were they to become involved no?...
not gonna happen whilst people are so quick to attack the very people that could be of benifit to everyone here!...
pissed off at Gibson’s QC? Send them a tweet, don’t start a thread on just how shit that one particular guitar you tried for five minutes in a box shifting guitar shop on a busy Saturday was... Dont like relics? Fine, don’t jump in and slag off someone who makes their living out of producing them... think the presenter in a product video is a bit of a twat? Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but... how about commenting on the product instead of the presenter?
Everyone has an opinion on something, myself included, just think before you voice that opinion out loud and cause bother!...
Seriously consider it... before it’s too late and the plug gets pulled for good!...
mindless rant over.
****edited some spelling errors!
Less of the personal insults, the moaning, the snide, the pointless, and possibly the inappropriate. Let’s have fun but in a positive way. Let tFB become a force for encouragement ...
I'm surprised to read this and am also sorry to hear that Tony and Lee are stepping aside. I can tell that they are both very reasonable individuals and if they both feel the need to step aside then things must have really gotten too much.
Whatever you both decide to do I wish you all the best.
I remember back in the day before the current system, sorting the trading feedback scores using data from the MR forum and it was a huge task - having a team of people to keep on top of things and promote and steer "their" section of the forum would be the way forward - it would be a shame to lose the knowledge base including people because it becomes too much like hard work keeping it going.
To achieve this requires active moderation IMO. Relying on self policing of opinions and actions doesn't work at this size of community, you only need a handful of people who want to post destructively, or even just have a bad day and decide to post negatively, for it to impact the vibe of the place.
My understanding is greater moderation is at odds with the light touch ethos that was originally intended.
So I guess for things to change, if that is what's needed, then stricter rules and potentially more moderation is one way to shape it towards that... but then that potentially changes part of the character of the forum.
I wanted to write at the start of the week but a whoooooooooping gurt gluten attack occurred, first one in three years, and I've been F'd in the A, the H, and possibly the entire Greek alphabet with it.
First, I understand both your reasons for wanting time away. Forums are hard work.
Keeping a forum going long term is even harder. The forums I've known have generally started small with members sharing a common interest. As they got bigger over the first year or two, the members really knew one another and in jokes were rife. Then after a few years, they had expanded to a size where loads of new people joined, in jokes were lost, there were generally a few fights with mods, the odd controversial banning... most of those forums have shrunk to nothing now. The majority started pre-Facebook: I imagine FB was the executioner in the end.
The Classifieds section in here is the best in the country for guitar gear in terms of price and safety. I'm a member of two gear groups on FB. People sell for high, ask for low, and the rate of fraud on there is huge. How much fraud have we had on the Fretboard? Comparatively little and that is to our credit both as sellers and as people who help out in fraud.
I hope the forum continues. I can't think I'll ever have a situation quite as bizarre as that day we got Ross Fingland where for several hours I was working across three computers: one talking to Drew who was talking to a Fingland Persona #1, one talking to Fingland Persona #2 trying to sell me stuff he didn't have that he'd nicked from Drew, and one talking to Bingefeller who was engaged with Fingland Persona #3 on something totally separate. Getting the money back from that thieving shite was bloody satisfying.
I think it is a mistake to make a forum about the founders, and I think this is something that has happened here, accept that the forum is bigger than any one member, and bigger than all its members combined, then it will endure.
I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.
Lee and Tony's children inherit the forum and rule it with an iron fist.
If that doesn't happen (and I very much ope it does) then I instead agree with ^^^.
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