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some people care about paperwork, and some people don't
Given a choice between a guitar with or with own paperwork, everyone goes for paperwork. As admitted by someone above who doesn't want paperwork!
And it makes it easier to sell, even if you don't care about the paperwork.
I think the awkwardness is coming from the other side, people who can't accept that paperwork is better than no paperwork. Just plain odd.
'I don't care about paperwork, paperwork is for muppets - err, oh that's ones got paperwork and that one doesn't, I'll have the paperwork please!'
And totally agree with @Adey - as has been said in this thread above it's custom shops Fenders, Gibsons and vintage provenance. No one cares less about paperwork for Arias or Squires :-)
You're simply projecting your prejudice into other people.
I would pick the guitar I liked best *regardless* of whether it had or not. It has precisely zero importance to me whatsoever.
And I know I’m very far from alone.
You need to just accept this.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
You keep using 'me' and 'I'.
It's like having a discussion with a teenager who says your wrong, your wrong, your wrong.
I take this route to work and if you don't do what I do you're wrong, period. It's mental.
You're basically using your own personal view to suggest everyone agrees with you and noone on the planet has any interest in paperwork - even though plenty of people and shops on here have said they do.
Perhaps you should speak to Fender and Gibson and tell them to stop producing it.
The outcome of this thread is some people couldnt careless about paperwork, some people want paperwork, everyone will go for the guitar with paperwork if there are two similar ones at the same price and as at the start of the thread someone 'hates' those people who want it.
As Blaendulais said, if you want to play it you would buy the better guitar. They are actually different when you play two in person... and it’s nothing to do with what’s in the case pocket.
Bye.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Which in the real world generally highlights someone with poor intelligence.
In the immortal words of Winston Churchill - If you were right I'd agree.
Bye - lol
4 have paperwork and one doesn't.
Similar nice tops and they're all the same price.
And you don't know which plays better than the other.
That's the point I was making.
Obviously you can go and see all five.
The point I'm making is paperwork work has a perceived value in a private sale, as in the above example lots of people would see the one without the paperwork last.
From my experience I have sold guitars with missing COA and it is an absolute fact that there are buyers who will use this to try and bring the price down. Sure there are others who wont care but definitely more often than not a missing COA for CS Fender or Gibson has led to that conversation with the buyer reducing their offer or even deciding not to purchase. I have even had to purchase replacement certs from Fender in the past before the buyer would proceed, some people actually consider the COA as provenance... surely paperwork would be easier to fake than a guitar?
I guess the point I'd make in this fast paced modern world, lots of people don't have the time to see all the guitars and therefore we use the Internet to shop (bricks and mortar shops online, ebay, Facebook, other) to find what we want. Narrowing our search before visiting to view.
If there are multiple versions of the same thing for sale and one of many choices doesn't have the same as the others on offer, people take the convenient and cheapest route and avoid that item.
@cmw335 - spot on.
If there are 2 utterly identical guitars in every way priced at £2500 for the one without magic paper and £2700 for the one with magic paper then I would buy the £2500 guitar. If some people will buy the more expensive one the good luck to them. Yes, there may be some that will, however a small sample doesn't dictate the entire market follows suit.
You seem to be worried about the use of 'me' and 'I' - not sure why that's a problem because it's drawing on actual experience rather than imagined scenarios.
The inclusion of paperwork has never influenced the price any guitar either myself or any friends have bought or sold. This can only be an issue in this hypothetical situation that you've contrived where you are the only seller and there is only 1 buyer in the world for your guitar and he wants a discount and refuses to budge. That's not reality.
I understand your point of view... I just disagree with it and think it's, in reality and in *most* circumstances, irrelevant. You, however, are just happy to say 'you're wrong because I said so' then misquote.
This is just going round in circles now. I'm sure if you're selling any guitars in the near future it's great that you'll be happy to knock a few quid off if the limited edition free commemorative plectrum isn't present in the case!
I am selling a Stig Burst les Paul just now and had a potential buyer seek out paperwork as well as contact the dealer who commissioned it, a previous owner and another luthier with all sorts of questions and hey fair enough that's their prerogative. I would love a buyer who would simply come and play the guitar and decide whether to buy it on merit alone, I am sure the guitar would be gone by now but unfortunately the "player buyer" seems to be less prominent.
@bgmartinsbridge is absolutely correct on this, like talking to teenagers
So wide of the mark with their answers it comical, of course you buy the guitar you like best regardless of coa/cert, it will still be worth less than the one with it, fact....
Same with watches, etc.....in fact anything that can be faked.
Personally i couldn't give a flying as long as i know this, and if the "proper guitar players" can't get their heads around fact, well hey ho its their loss