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If it has no monetary value to me then, given this is a debate over how it affects the price, I'm not sure what your point is.
Go to a shop, no paperwork on a custom shop strat or Gibson. They will discount it, it's incomplete.
Several similar custom shop strats for sale, one has missing paperwork. Most people will expect it to be cheaper, as it's incomplete.
Some people don't care about the paperwork, agree, but some some do - guess what, that means the paperwork has a value because some people do.
Calling me dense because I disagree with you is rude, especially when you've got the cheek to then call out others for it being 'like talking to teenagers'. Calling people names then telling others they're being childish - I mean really? Calm down pal.
Time for the mods I think.
If you buy a car and youre willing to pay a grand for it and someone else thinks it's worth 1200, then it's worth 1200.
It's very simple thinking.
The dense comment was a general comment, not aimed at you personally, better get the mods to split us all up, don't want to get jumped at playtime
Good luck with the lessons :-)
Bad example anyway. Paperwork with a car is not exactly the same thing.
If you and others are admittedly willing to overlook one guitar over another as it lacks paperwork then the open market for that guitar is potentially limited. It follows that the overlooked guitar may ultimately sell for less as buyers gravitate towards examples with paperwork. By extension, the COA could affect the “going rate”. That’s just fact whether or not you feel paperwork is worthless or not.
Under some circumstances, someone like yourself may come along early and pay full asking price without worrying about paperwork. For that particular sale, the COA was worthless. As @ICBM ;; has said, that possibly applies to “most” real world sales, particularly lower priced guitars. But when you sell that guitar it could be a different story.
This situation is particularly applicable in modern times when many buy second hand online without trying first.
Not many (I hope) would argue that any rational player would always pick the better guitar “in hand”, irrespective of paperwork. But that potentially applies more to a situation where it’s possible to compare and contrast in person. Truth on both sides of the argument for sure.
The story earlier about the guy who refused a PRS he liked as the original case was torn is comical.
Anything high end, Fender CS, Gibson CS, PRS, etc will have their value affected, maybe not over 1 sale of 1 guitar , but certainly over a few sales of that same guitar
Both sides of the argument have valid points and may be correct from certain perspectives.
Look man, seemingly unlike the other way round, I totally see your point of view and think, technically, you're not wrong. I just don't think its a real world issue. Special circumstances excluded - super high-end, collectors items etc..
I'm no authority whatsoever but I've bought and sold loads of guitars and amps of reasonable value over the last 20 years or so and never once had paperwork even mentioned (beyond a 'it's in the case if you're interested'). If I a get a buyer who tries to knock the price down because something isn't there I'll politely say thanks but no thanks. If the instrument is priced right then it has always sold.
If, one day, I end up with a guitar that I just can't sell for years because I won't knock 50 quid off as the paperwork is missing, I'll come back and buy you all a pint as I tuck in to my humble pie.
Noone is talking about low to mid guitars, where noone requests paperwork.
Where people request paperwork, it has a value because those people put a value on it.
The people who don't put a value on it pay what they feel itls fair.
But as I said above, if one person places a value on paperwork then it has a value. Simples.
Most real world sales wouldn't have COA or certs anyway