Big flaws in film plots

HAL9000

And the Jurassic World IV (I think) thing of 'The dinosaurs have escaped - I know let's release some bigger dinosaurs to get them - what could possibly go wrong?'

darthed1981

HAL9000 said:

And the Jurassic World IV (I think) thing of 'The dinosaurs have escaped - I know let's release some bigger dinosaurs to get them - what could possibly go wrong?'

They actually release smaller dinosaurs to track the loose big dinosaur.

But the film itself points out it's a pretty awful plan.

The ending of V, or "Fallen Kingdom" will likely prove a bit controversial once Rexy eats an entire neighbourhood.

Handsome_Chris

digitalscream said:

Handsome_Chris said:

Emp_Fab said:

Oh, and the ‘12 Parsecs’ thing...  a Parsec is a unit of distance, not time.  So what he’s saying is that the Falcon completed the Kessel Run in a distance of less than the distance required.  Like saying “My Car drove from Edinburgh to London in 88 miles”.

No it's not, because there is no route from Edinburgh to London which takes 88 miles; however:

According to Star Wars: The Essential Atlas and the Solo novels, the road to Kessel involved navigating a cluster of black holes known as 'the Maw'. This would typically take 18 parsecs -- to avoid falling into the Maw's gravity wells -- but with a sturdy ship like the Millennium Falcon and a daring captain like Han, a smuggler could skirt close to the edges of the Maw and cut the distance down to 12 parsecs. - https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2018/05/30/solo-star-wars-story-kessel-run-12-parsecs/#2c1d550e3785 

Unfortunately, it's pretty well-known that this is a retcon to cover up the scientific illiteracy involved in writing the script.

It's a good one, however, so most folk let it slide.

@digitalscream , I'll take scientific illiteracy over five , soon to be six, piss poor sequals.  

Note: I'm not including Rogue One and Solo.  I'm talking about the likes of Episode 7: The Monument To Mediocrity, Episode 8: Turning Shit Into Money.

darthed1981

I thought Last Jedi was a great movie, except the casino bit.  The internet lost it's collective shit over it though.

munckee

ICBM said:

I'm not sure if it counts as a plot hole, but the ending of Harry Potter is shit.

It would have been much better to skip the whole bit in the woods before the final battle, then for Nagini to have been killed while Voldemort and Harry are fighting, and then Voldemort kills Harry, thinking he's won - but by doing so destroys his own last Horcrux and himself, and saves Harry's life in the process.

Once all the horcruxes were destroyed voldemort was still alive, and was then destroyed by the elder wand as it served HP and not him.  In your theory he would have not have been able to defeat HP unless HP let him, which would have meant that HP would still have come 'back' but in the courtyard rather than the forest, they would each have then been vulnerable apart from the elder wand thing still being in place.

The holes I have always thought is why did voldemort just not take nagini to hogwarts  then he would have been impossible to kill.  Plus the book says only non living things can be horcruxes but then Potter is revealed to be one.

I seem to remember voldemort's death in the book being in the hall surrounded by everyone than alone outside.

PolarityMan

munckee said:

ICBM said:

I'm not sure if it counts as a plot hole, but the ending of Harry Potter is shit.

It would have been much better to skip the whole bit in the woods before the final battle, then for Nagini to have been killed while Voldemort and Harry are fighting, and then Voldemort kills Harry, thinking he's won - but by doing so destroys his own last Horcrux and himself, and saves Harry's life in the process.

Once all the horcruxes were destroyed voldemort was still alive, and was then destroyed by the elder wand as it served HP and not him.  In your theory he would have not have been able to defeat HP unless HP let him, which would have meant that HP would still have come 'back' but in the courtyard rather than the forest, they would each have then been vulnerable apart from the elder wand thing still being in place.

The holes I have always thought is why did voldemort just not take nagini to hogwarts  then he would have been impossible to kill.  Plus the book says only non living things can be horcruxes but then Potter is revealed to be one.

I seem to remember voldemort's death in the book being in the hall surrounded by everyone than alone outside.

That's a good point but I thought somewhat trumped by "magic isn't real"

PolarityMan

In around the world in 80 days Philias Fogg circumnavigates the globe in a hot air balloon. This is clearly impossible because the earth is flat. 

ICBM

munckee said:

Once all the horcruxes were destroyed voldemort was still alive, and was then destroyed by the elder wand as it served HP and not him.  In your theory he would have not have been able to defeat HP unless HP let him, which would have meant that HP would still have come 'back' but in the courtyard rather than the forest, they would each have then been vulnerable apart from the elder wand thing still being in place.

The holes I have always thought is why did voldemort just not take nagini to hogwarts  then he would have been impossible to kill.  Plus the book says only non living things can be horcruxes but then Potter is revealed to be one.

I seem to remember voldemort's death in the book being in the hall surrounded by everyone than alone outside.

Have to admit I haven't read the books - I tried, but the first one was so awful I gave up. I've only watched the films under protest because my kids liked them. So what you're saying is that the films have a badly-written ending which isn't the same as the original badly-written ending in the books...

You have to wonder why they always seem to have to do this. The classic example is Alistair Maclean's 'Golden Rendezvous', which has a brilliant ending in the book but was re-written for the film to be more of an 'action film ending' and was crap.

Speaking of other plot holes in the same style as the hero's gun with unlimited ammuntion... gold. Gold is *dense*. Unbelievably dense. So when you see a gang of crooks carrying a box of gold bars, put them in the boot of a car and drive off without the suspension collapsing, it's complete crap. Likewise in The Italian Job - even if you could drive a Mini with about ton weight in the boot, the moment that pallet of gold starts to slide the bus is going straight over the cliff.

LuttiS

Alien Resurrection.. the underwater scene. I used to try holding my breath for the entire scene.. couldn't even get close..

doogz84

My wife is a huge Harry Potter fan. Pointing out flaws with the stories is one of my favourite pastimes when she's watching.

Flanging_Fred

I happened to watch Die Hard 2 last night.  A couple of seconds before the plane crashes in to the runway in a HUGE explosion, the pilot announces that they have no fuel left.

 So was the plane carrying a ton of c4 to make blow up like that?

ICBM

Flanging_Fred said:

I happened to watch Die Hard 2 last night.  A couple of seconds before the plane crashes in to the runway in a HUGE explosion, the pilot announces that they have no fuel left.

 So was the plane carrying a ton of c4 to make blow up like that?

That's at least reasonably accurate - empty or nearly empty fuel tanks are very dangerous because they contain a lot of fuel vapour... that's what brought down TWA Flight 800.

Emp_Fab

ICBM said:

Handsome_Chris said:

Star Wars- Episode 4: Why does Han Solo have to sort out the route himself.  If he has got a starship that will do the Kessel run in under 12 Parsecs, then surely it has navigation system on it.

Emp_Fab said:

Oh, and the ‘12 Parsecs’ thing...  a Parsec is a unit of distance, not time.  So what he’s saying is that the Falcon completed the Kessel Run in a distance of less than the distance required.  Like saying “My Car drove from Edinburgh to London in 88 miles”.

No, it's correct - distances are measured in the same way as they are in our universe. The 12 parsecs is because he plots a *shorter* route through hyperspace in order to get there quicker. This is also why it has to be done by a human/Wookie navigator and not by a computer, because it's intuitive not calculable.

Into this matter more research must you do, young Emperor .

Bollocks.  The scriptwriters did not have that in mind.  They heard the word “parsecs” and assumed it was a derivative of the word “seconds” and used it in that context.

Emp_Fab

ICBM said:

Flanging_Fred said:

I happened to watch Die Hard 2 last night.  A couple of seconds before the plane crashes in to the runway in a HUGE explosion, the pilot announces that they have no fuel left.

 So was the plane carrying a ton of c4 to make blow up like that?

That's at least reasonably accurate - empty or nearly empty fuel tanks are very dangerous because they contain a lot of fuel vapour... that's what brought down TWA Flight 800.

Also, the approach angle is completely wrong.  No aircraft approaches the runway nose down.  In any case the aircraft’s own altimeter AND radio-altimeter would have alerted the crew to the discrepancies between the displayed glide slope and the real one.  Also, the real ATC would only have to broadcast on 121.5 to make aircrew aware that there was a German lunatic on the radio pretending to be ATC.

Legionreturns

In every DC / Marvel type film ever, the plot hole is the makers have confused "special effects" with "plot" 

Handsome_Chris

Emp_Fab said:

ICBM said:

Flanging_Fred said:

I happened to watch Die Hard 2 last night.  A couple of seconds before the plane crashes in to the runway in a HUGE explosion, the pilot announces that they have no fuel left.

 So was the plane carrying a ton of c4 to make blow up like that?

That's at least reasonably accurate - empty or nearly empty fuel tanks are very dangerous because they contain a lot of fuel vapour... that's what brought down TWA Flight 800.

Also, the approach angle is completely wrong.  No aircraft approaches the runway nose down.  In any case the aircraft’s own altimeter AND radio-altimeter would have alerted the crew to the discrepancies between the displayed glide slope and the real one.  Also, the real ATC would only have to broadcast on 121.5 to make aircrew aware that there was a German lunatic on the radio pretending to be ATC.

Which "German lunatic" are you talking about, @Emp_Fab ?

stickyfiddle

Legionreturns said:

In every DC / Marvel type film ever, the plot hole is the makers have confused "special effects" with "plot" 

This argument annoys me. There are certainly plenty (anything with Zak Snyder, for example) for which it’s true, but also plenty which good plots.

bah,

Legionreturns

stickyfiddle said:

Legionreturns said:

In every DC / Marvel type film ever, the plot hole is the makers have confused "special effects" with "plot" 

This argument annoys me. There are certainly plenty (anything with Zak Snyder, for example) for which it’s true, but also plenty which good plots.

bah,

See also: Transformers 

Legionreturns

stickyfiddle said:

Legionreturns said:

In every DC / Marvel type film ever, the plot hole is the makers have confused "special effects" with "plot" 

This argument annoys me. There are certainly plenty (anything with Zak Snyder, for example) for which it’s true, but also plenty which good plots.

bah,

See also: Transformers

ICBM

Emp_Fab said:

Bollocks.  The scriptwriters did not have that in mind.  They heard the word “parsecs” and assumed it was a derivative of the word “seconds” and used it in that context.

Also probably true, but the later explanation is at least clever and makes as much sense as anything else in the physics of Star Wars .