Big flaws in film plots

stephen.wood125

PolarityMan said:

octatonic said:

Back on LOTR- does the ring automatically resize for human or hobbit sized fingers?

yes like all sphincters

Genuine LOL

Emp_Fab

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

stimpsonslostson

Emp_Fab said:

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

Anyone mention U571 yet?

not_the_dj

Emp_Fab said:

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

Heard a guy from GCHQ on a radio show (might have been the Infinite Monkey Cage) saying the "Imitation Game" got two facts correct.

There was a Second World War
Turing's first name was Alan

darthed1981

not_the_dj said:

Emp_Fab said:

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

Heard a guy from GCHQ on a radio show (might have been the Infinite Monkey Cage) saying the "Imitation Game" got two facts correct.

There was a Second World War
Turing's first name was Alan

That is the nature of Biopics though, they were not going to start bringing up the non-deterministic Turing machine, or looking at the mathematics in depth, or indeed pointing out that for most of the war they sat there working, rather than movie-land's only two moods... despair and triumph.

One fo the key things it gets across is Turing's loneliness, and the horrific way he was treated when he was charged over his homosexuality.

I think they got the balance a tad wrong, for example Tywin Lannister's character was in real life apparently a nice guy who was supportive of Turing's work, the real villains were the people who took a genius war hero and tortured him post-war because he prefers penises to vaginas.  Shameful.

Handsome_Chris

stimpsonslostson said:

Emp_Fab said:

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

Anyone mention U571 yet?

Yes,yes. We all know that Jon Bon Jovi didn't win WW2 for the Allied Powers.  :yawn:

tony99

darthed1981 said:

not_the_dj said:

Emp_Fab said:

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

Heard a guy from GCHQ on a radio show (might have been the Infinite Monkey Cage) saying the "Imitation Game" got two facts correct.

There was a Second World War
Turing's first name was Alan

That is the nature of Biopics though, they were not going to start bringing up the non-deterministic Turing machine, or looking at the mathematics in depth, or indeed pointing out that for most of the war they sat there working, rather than movie-land's only two moods... despair and triumph.

One fo the key things it gets across is Turing's loneliness, and the horrific way he was treated when he was charged over his homosexuality.

I think they got the balance a tad wrong, for example Tywin Lannister's character was in real life apparently a nice guy who was supportive of Turing's work, the real villains were the people who took a genius war hero and tortured him post-war because he prefers penises to vaginas.  Shameful.

Similar treatment of Captain Blythe in most versions of Mutiny on the Bounty, who was by all accounts a good fella and a bit of a hero in some respects. Just gets the shitty end of the stick coz he wanted everyone home safe and yet everyone wanted to stay and nob the natives.

darthed1981

Handsome_Chris said:

stimpsonslostson said:

Emp_Fab said:

Out of curiosity, is there a greater tendency towards playing fast and loose with plots when the film is American rather than British ?

Anyone mention U571 yet?

Yes,yes. We all know that Jon Bon Jovi didn't win WW2 for the Allied Powers.  :yawn:

I turned that one off when they had a submerged submarine sink another submerged submarine, the technology to hit another submerged sub with a torpedo (advanced sonar and wire-guided torpedoes) did not exist in WW2.  In fact officially, it has never happened off the top of my head, though it might have done in sinister Cold War engagements we won't hear about for some years.  Wouldn't surprise me if the US had popped an Iranian or North Korean sub at some point.

Subs were sunk by other subs during WW2, but only when they were surfaced.  The film based it's sub combat on Hunt for Red October, and so dropped a bollock.

Plus, the story is utter nonsense, the US didn't capture any Enigma information until later in the war, and it was the RN who participated in the events in the film.

ICBM

tony99 said:

Similar treatment of Captain Blythe in most versions of Mutiny on the Bounty, who was by all accounts a good fella and a bit of a hero in some respects. Just gets the shitty end of the stick coz he wanted everyone home safe and yet everyone wanted to stay and nob the natives.

Bligh was by all accounts a very strict disciplinarian - not abnormal for the time in the Royal Navy - but a brilliant navigator and inspiring leader. The fact that after the mutiny he sailed a small open boat across about half the Pacific to reach safety and the only man lost was killed by natives at the first place they sought help shows a lot. Bligh ended his career as a Vice-Admiral.

tony99

Bligh yeah, I meant Bligh. All round good egg.