It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Subscribe to our Patreon, and get image uploads with no ads on the site!
Base theme by DesignModo & ported to Powered by Vanilla by Chris Ireland, modified by the "theFB" team.
Comments
We're leaving the EU.
Now lets make the best of it, instead of impotently crying like little bitches.
It's the endless dithering that's really harming the country. Cameron should have triggered Article 50 as soon as the referendum was done.
For all the talk of dishonesty during the referendum campaign, this narrative that Leavers didn't know that a vote to leave the EU was a vote to leave the single market is bizarre and disingenuous.
Where was the bit about leaving the single market, and being prepared to walk away with no replacement trade deal?
As for "crying like little bitches"
How about we have a constructive discussion, instead of pretending to be a playground bullies?
Bandcamp
Spotify, Apple et al
There are actually many single parents out there, men and women, who desperately need benefits to provide a life for their children.
Whilst there will be some who will take the piss out of the benefit system, you shouldnt tar them all with the same brush.
Some Muslims blow people up, lets hate them all shall we? ( i know, poor example right?)
Poor example from somebody (an ex- housing officer) i would expect to have a better attitude on the matter.
This is from May 2002:
"Tony Blair told Newsnight's Jeremy Paxman he would be happy to be remembered as the man who told the British people they should join the single currency and that a political rejection of the euro would be "crazy".
"I certainly believe passionately that this country and its destiny lies in Europe.
"Should we stand apart from the alliance right on our doorstep as a country? It would be crazy to do that.
"It is an economic union. We shouldn't, for political reasons, stand aside. I don't believe that would be a fulfilment of our national interest. I believe it would be a betrayal of our national interest."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/16/euro.eu
Have you got any idea how utterly fucked this country would have been in 2008 had we been in the Eurozone?
Exactly this, you are either in the EU or out, there was no question about doing a half arsed job of leaving.
I'm saying, if 4% of leave voters didn't want to leave the single market... well, suddenly there isn't a majority mandate to do that any more. The government is claiming a mandate to do things where it isn't clear at all that they have one.
I'm saying that in the maelstrom last year of politicians wading in, offering different, contradictory visions for the future which often included the phrase "Retain access to the single market"... it's very unclear that there's a 52% mandate for the course we're now on.
The issue is, and I've tried to make this point a few times over the last months... is that you can't just generalise Leavers and Remainers. You replied to my post and started talking about a "narrative that leavers didn't..."
That's not my narrative. I'd never dream that I could assume en masse what 17 million+ people were motivated by, or what they knew or didn't know.
Bandcamp
Spotify, Apple et al
During the campaign, plenty of brexitters were not ruling out staying in the EU single market after a leave vote, and it was never a CLEAR policy that that would be the aim.
With Iraq, I do think he acted genuinely in that he was convinced that going to war was the right thing to do. The war over shadowed everything else he achieved in government, and what he did for the Labour party. Labour has been on a downward tailspin since he packed in.
Love him or loathe him, Blair is good for politics. He's got clout, and people listen when he says something: just look at the reaction he's caused today. He is a "proper" poltician: he has gravitas, he talks sensibly and he is balanced and persuasive in his argument. He was the first politician who persuaded me to vote Labour, in 1997. I can't see myself even considering voting Labour again, not in the current state of the party.
I'd have him go further, and start a new political party. There are rumours that he is planning this. Who knows?