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These are facts.
Maybe you have "alternative facts".
You've never had it so good! Now get back to your subservient life and leave us ruling classes alone...
Your political views are dogmatic and stuck in the 1980s.
Yes I remember Thatcher well. Everything was tickety boo till she became prime minister. Well tickety boo ish. That is apart from the 3 day week. Railways not running. Nurses and Ambulance drivers on strike. Rubbish piled in the streets. Dead bodies in factories because the cemeteries were being picketed. There were contingency plans to bury the rotting corpses at sea. No BBC because the electircians were on strike etc etc etc. The sick man of Europe.
Fret's right. I live in an affluent area of Surrey and we voted to remain. According to the BBC 'Surrey bucked the national trend with 52.2% voting for Remain and 47.8% for Leave'. All from a largely Tory area
The affluent Tory areas voted remain. Many working class Labour areas voted to leave. A Tory PM, Cameron, recommended people voted Remain. He was ignored. Conclusion - you are wrong.
"i don't mean just tory voters. "
selective hearing!
Tories trying to grab everything back caused that.
Why are we always able to afford paying their gold plated pensions and expense's
Why do they not have to pay tax (off shore havens)
massive wages and bonuses
but no one else's wages ,pensions are affordable.
There was, unquestionably, a significant protest element to the vote. As was mentioned in another thread, the referendum made everyone's votes count - nobody cast a worthless vote as is the case in elections under our FPTP system. A lot of people will have voted leave because (or tipping an undecided voter into voting leave) the Govt, and Cameron in particular, wanted us all to vote remain, and they rebelled - assuming that it was inevitable the country would vote remain. Not everyone will have done this, obviously, but enough... more than enough to change the outcome in such a tight race.
So, when the point of a referendum is to establish the true will of the people, people who have made choices after being presented with the full facts, can you truly say that this has been accomplished here ? I think not.
The arguments against having another referendum are strong - but so are those in favour when you look at what actually happened. The loudest voices against the idea will be from supporters of leaving the EU. They will undoubtedly argue (and do) that the result has to be accepted and you can't keep re-running things until you get the result you want. That is true. However - what is the real reason behind the protests of a lot of them ? Is it really because they are resolutely defending the concept of democracy - or - is it that they fear a re-run might actually produce a result that they personally don't want - even if that result is the true will of the people ? I believe the vast majority are in the latter category - they're on the winning side and they're not going to risk losing that at any cost - even if that cost is democracy.
If the winning margin is so miniscule, after disgraceful campaigns filled with propaganda and barefaced lies on a subject most of us really haven't got a bloody clue about, combined with reports of not insignificant numbers making protest votes, then what is the harm in re-running it ? That you run the risk of finding out what the people want now ?
Offset "(Emp) - a little heavy on the hyperbole."
In any event, the campaigning in a second referendum would likely be just as bad.
again
"i don't mean just tory voters."
Equally I would ask you this: if the winning margin is so minuscule and the campaigns so crap, what would be the point of rerunning it and going through the same load of political circlejerking? What's the point of another exercise that spunks away over £100 million quid? Two cum metaphors in one paragraph seems right...
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/eu-referendum-counting-officers-regulations
The bit in bold: no. A referendum is not to find the "true will of the people", which sounds like a Leni Riefenstahl film title. This vile way that politicians choose to dress up their own beliefs as them kowtowing to the electorate needs to be smashed in the balls, thrown into a Manchester canal, and left to drown.
I am not in favour of a second referendum at all. Rather than a second referendum, I would support a halt of all Brexit movements. Let the next General Election decide. Let each party firmly state their position on Europe and let the electorate decide. A decision as large as Brexit shouldn't have been left to a sodding consultation featuring two cobbled together groups opposing one another with a third sticking its nose in as much as possible.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
Forgetting for a moment that you have no benchmark for "the will of the people", the Iraq war had broad support (in a "finger in the air" sense) from "the people" at the time. It was only later, when Blair's sins were beginning to be revealed and the campaign was a disaster, that public opinion turned against it.