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It is one of the few amps I can think of that's genuinely too loud for the house, or probably even a small gig - the clean channel sounds fine, although not as huge as it does up loud, but the overdrive channel is just flat and harsh-sounding until you start to push the volume. It also doesn't seem to take attenuation very well - it's a serious stage amp for serious stages! And studios with soundproof rooms .
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Don't mind the sound of a breaking up tweed fender though - Johan Segeborn has a great video of the Pro Junior where it gets a really nice dirty rock tone.
up at a rehearsal studio / gig with a Marshall- I lose my shit. Hate them.
In the interests of education and all.
Show me your great Fender tones!!!
link me some examples of what you all think are awesome Fender tones so that I can see if it's something I'd like to go further to check out.
I not so arrogant (yet) that I don't appreciate that you lot have good ears and that I must be missing something.
Why the lols, I'm being deadly serious.
Id have an HT-50 or a series one 200 over any Fender.
Silverface Bandmaster (or Showman??)
https://youtu.be/UsyJF_OkrXE
Back in the day when I wanted loads of compressed pre-amp gain and a smooth distortion sound, and a simple easy to use clean tone, I hated Fender amps - found them, too bright, too spikey etc.
Roll on, erm, some years and I wouldn't use anything else apart from a Fender derived map. Huge dynamic response, embrace those glorious highs, deep lows, and sound killer with mid-gain overdrive boosting it.
Blackstar is the opposite of the Fender sound for me, no dynamics, no cut, no thrust. If you prefer that sound then great but not for me.
I get what you are saying, it sounds to me like we are on opposite sides of the same orbit.
As the years go by, I find myself being drawn to ever heavier and more extreme music.
Started as as a classic blues fan, Mayall, Korner, Clapton, Green, Butterworth etc.
Now its all Scar Symmetry and Meshuggah, Periphery and The Haunted.
The thing for is smaller Fender amps have sweet spots and don’t always sound amazing through their entire range. The bigger Fenders can be a bit shouty and can benefit from compressors, or a drive with some compression.
Remember, it's easier to criticise than create!
Crunch - Pete Townshend on a Gretsch 6120 through a tweed Bandmaster
Lead - Clapton on a Les Paul through a blonde Bassman.
And if you don't like classic rock…
William Reid on a Gibson ES330 through a Twin Reverb - maybe with a pedal, although you can actually get that much dirt out of a Twin if you crank it
… which is one of my top two or three guitar sounds ever recorded, probably.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Haha fair enough, the low input on a JCM800 at volume sounds great for cleans to me! JTM45 as well, though that is basically a fender actually!
@professorben this is the video I was on about, 1:56 ish for the crunch tone.
The Who not keen on them in general but not a bad tone.
Clapton wtf?? Cocaine is a hell of a drug I guess, the only one I had to turn off, awful awful sound, that Chorus/vibrato thing made me feel ill, Sorry.
The J&MC song sounded great, never heard these guys before, cheerful bunch eh? But cracking sound.
https://youtu.be/7OgjRcX4qA8
The tweed one (blues jnr?) sounded great clean with the Strat, but as soon as they got turned up I could hear this raspy flubby woofy thing going on, which I really dislike.
I was worried I was missing out but it seems that the cleans are bland, high gain stuff is non existent and whilst there are some nice crunchy territory tones. Nothing that can hold a candle to a JCM800 or a Mesa.
Thanks everyone, I know I'm in the minority in this place regarding my musical leanings but I'm not trying to troll just broaden my horizons.
Looks like my style/ear just doesn't suit Fender type Amps which I suppose is normal, not everyone suits everything.