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Although playing bass *well* is not that easy. I'm still working on that bit.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
Leadership skills are not really required,
paulmapp this is where you are having issues you want to solve problems and make the band work. This display of leadership qualities is probably threatenening him.
I joined a delusional band in 2013 after 6 months I bailed I found out they did a pub gig trainwrecked and split.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
If he kicks, the worst case scenario is that you have to get another bass player and PA. Consider the cost of rehearsal space and the time input of the whole band against that of the PA, and it’s not such a bad trade.
Go onto joinmyband put up an advert for your services.
Within a week you will have several offers and you can try them out without any pressure or commitment.
If/when you find something that suits you better, make the move.
Nothing lost...
I really don't think you can change people and if there are difficulties at this stage, imagine what will happen further on down the road when the stakes are higher (is that a song?)
(Aware it's always easier to give advice to others than sort out one's own mess...but anyways....hopefully constructive. )
Its tearing me in all directions at times. Still - there is an possible opportunity thats come along as a sound engineer for another project.. its paid as their regular engineer - again function stuff, and the commitment isnt much - 12-20 gigs a year and no needs to learn stuff myself or lug gear about or go to more than the odd rehearsal. The band is providing all the gear as well.
2 of the other band members the current band also have other projects, and its not a lot of time so shouldn't affect this. It will focus my mind on the aspects I want to perfect (as best I can) giving me that outlet - meaning I can love this project for the material and the personnel rather than the actual level we play at.
But things will come to a head one way or another.... Hes found and read this thread.
Now he may not come back here - he may do and read this post. I will talk to him about it one to one if he want to - thats not a problem for me. He is upset - and from some of the comments (both from me and from you lot) Im not surprised. You can be brutal (and brutally honest) at times. The range of comments from enouraging but highlighting weakness, to outright ripping bits apart....I can take that - ignore the outliers and take a consensus to work on.
Dont know if its what Ive said on here, what you lot have said, or just that Ive said something outside the band environment.
BUT - Im not going to apologise for coming here and seeking advice, and indeed venting at times. I have met quite a lot of you lot - played with many at jam sessions, AFX meets and the like. Ive met and socialised with others outside of this arena - and even worked (in a non musical sense) with a couple. Between you - you have a wealth of experience playing in bands at all levels and are always happy to give support, guidance, advice, and brutally honest opinions. I value that - and see this place as a home from home filled with like minded (mostly - I can be a pain with some of my views as you all know) people.
I came here not knowing how to approach an individual being new to the project, and seeing potential musically. I want it to be the best it can be. I posted links so you could give me feedback - and it wouldnt have mattered if I was told we suited each other because we were all terrible and to enjoy playing together because we were unlikely to get a gig. Neither would it have bothered me if I was told I was being a prat - and the standard was perfectly adequate/good. Indeed anywhere between the two. A reality check, a "re-calibration" of my thoughts if you will. Was I being too critical, was I being unrealistic, was I right and if so how to deal with it etc.
Ultimately this will either result in me being kicked out, and the problem will be resolved (not to my ideal liking - but hey, at least I wont be frustrated any more ) - or he will leave, again solving the problem in a not ideal way - I think that would be a mistake as well (and in both cases should the band move forward new members would have to be found - and upcoming commitments cancelled). Or - it might just bring it all out into the open - and comments made by you lot might hit home. We may actually end up resolving some of the problems - or compromising either on solution or time frame. That would be my wish. As I posted, I like the guys...all of them as people. I love the material (possibly WHY Im so desperate to take it where we want to go and to its best), but as it stands what will be will be.
I sing (not well) in our band as well as playing guitar. If I read some of the comments in this thread about the bassist’s vocals directed at me my self-confidence would be shot to shit, and it would be very difficult to sing in front of an audience again.
The bassist's and guitarist's singing are perfectly fine for backing vocals or even the occasional lead which suits them. I don't hear any major problems with anyone else's other abilities either.
A good singer will lift the band to another level effortlessly.
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein