Neural Quad Core thing demo

WiresDreamDisasters · February 2021

As for the Paul Davids video:

To my ears, the QC is as far away from the amp in tone as the Kemper, just in the other direction. What it nails in the amount of gain, it loses in the frequency response accuracy. The Kemper doesn't sound as good in this video as I've had it for my tones, to my ears.

But if I was looking at selling a Kemper to get a QC, this video wouldn't convince me.

His real amp creamed them both. And I'm not a fan of those kinds of tones or playing style either!

JohnCordy · February 2021

They're saying on the group that they've fixed the problem now?

duotone · February 2021

mrkb said:

Paul Davids review seems less "influenced" - seems open and honest about its pros and cons, shows big gap when switching presets and clicks when changing scenes.

THE GAME CHANGER FOR GUITAR AMPS? // Neural DSP Quad Cortex (vs kemper) - YouTube

Just watched the Paul Davids video & what really surprised me was; No changes & saving of the templates is allowed, seems very strange to me.

Jetfire · February 2021

duotone said:

mrkb said:

Paul Davids review seems less "influenced" - seems open and honest about its pros and cons, shows big gap when switching presets and clicks when changing scenes.

THE GAME CHANGER FOR GUITAR AMPS? // Neural DSP Quad Cortex (vs kemper) - YouTube

Just watched the Paul Davids video & what really surprised me was; No changes & saving of the templates is allowed, seems very strange to me.

Just watched this and I dont think this dude has used a Helix either. There's a number of his gripes which are across the Helix and QC, such as output choice being tied to the preset.

TeleMaster · February 2021

Hmm. I'm wondering whether to cancel my preorder.

PudWud · February 2021

digitalscream said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Yeah those glitches during snapshot changes are wank.

Most devices have a gap between preset changes, but I'm 99.9% sure that the Helix is faster than that!!

...I'm also pretty sure they swore blind it wouldn't do that when they were asked directly during the "hype" phase.

The CEO is posting about this on the gear page thread. Apparently Paul Davids is using a beta review unit and the final version is better.

He’s also being pretty pissy about Paul Davids not explicitly stating that it was a beta unit.

For me, they shouldn’t be sending out beta units for review and expecting these guys to promise people that software updates will improve it. Paul can only review what he received. There’s no guarantee that the software updates will be as good as Neural are promising.

WiresDreamDisasters · February 2021

Don't send out a beta that isn't really ready for prime time.

Software QA 101.

TeleMaster · February 2021

It's a little bit of a car crash right now, isn't it.

WiresDreamDisasters · February 2021

Ehh... it's not inspiring to be honest. But I feel for them, it's a huge project and with tons of moving parts. BFD3 users will know that sometimes a beta gets released and it's garbage - we do our best. Sometimes we drop the ball. I suppose my previous comment was a little uncharitable. Because I do know how difficult it is to bring a product to market.

But even saying that, I was a QA manager for a long time - I would have strongly pushed back on releasing a build that had obvious user affecting audio defects. Any huge audio pop, blast, or glitch, could seriously put people's hearing and monitoring at risk. It's a big no-no.

wesker123 · February 2021

PudWud said:

digitalscream said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Yeah those glitches during snapshot changes are wank.

Most devices have a gap between preset changes, but I'm 99.9% sure that the Helix is faster than that!!

...I'm also pretty sure they swore blind it wouldn't do that when they were asked directly during the "hype" phase.

The CEO is posting about this on the gear page thread. Apparently Paul Davids is using a beta review unit and the final version is better.

He’s also being pretty pissy about Paul Davids not explicitly stating that it was a beta unit.

For me, they shouldn’t be sending out beta units for review and expecting these guys to promise people that software updates will improve it. Paul can only review what he received. There’s no guarantee that the software updates will be as good as Neural are promising.

Maybe Paul Davids didn't know it was beta unit.

All sounds very shifty to me. Youtube influencer in honest opinion shocker!

PudWud · February 2021

wesker123 said:

PudWud said:

digitalscream said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Yeah those glitches during snapshot changes are wank.

Most devices have a gap between preset changes, but I'm 99.9% sure that the Helix is faster than that!!

...I'm also pretty sure they swore blind it wouldn't do that when they were asked directly during the "hype" phase.

The CEO is posting about this on the gear page thread. Apparently Paul Davids is using a beta review unit and the final version is better.

He’s also being pretty pissy about Paul Davids not explicitly stating that it was a beta unit.

For me, they shouldn’t be sending out beta units for review and expecting these guys to promise people that software updates will improve it. Paul can only review what he received. There’s no guarantee that the software updates will be as good as Neural are promising.

Maybe Paul Davids didn't know it was beta unit.

All sounds very shifty to me. Youtube influencer in honest opinion shocker!

You know its truth when Rhett Shull has criticisms (and I quite like him if you look past the bullshit).

digitalscream · February 2021

The obvious answer is to have a faded-but-visible watermark on all screens saying "BETA", so that it doesn't matter whether it gets mentioned or not.

With that said, pops and glitches should not be present in beta. Maybe an alpha preview, but a beta version should be a release candidate that needs wider testing with all known bugs discovered by their internal testers fixed.

If their internal testers can't identify a massive issue like that which would entirely prevent live use, or their engineers can't fix it, I'd venture to suggest that they need a better testing team. Either that or they need to fire the management who pushed so hard for such an unrealistic deadline that it was released to beta without being rectified.

duotone · February 2021

PudWud said:

digitalscream said:

WiresDreamDisasters said:

Yeah those glitches during snapshot changes are wank.

Most devices have a gap between preset changes, but I'm 99.9% sure that the Helix is faster than that!!

...I'm also pretty sure they swore blind it wouldn't do that when they were asked directly during the "hype" phase.

The CEO is posting about this on the gear page thread. Apparently Paul Davids is using a beta review unit and the final version is better.

He’s also being pretty pissy about Paul Davids not explicitly stating that it was a beta unit.

For me, they shouldn’t be sending out beta units for review and expecting these guys to promise people that software updates will improve it. Paul can only review what he received. There’s no guarantee that the software updates will be as good as Neural are promising.

Paul says in the last couple minutes (during his conclusion) “But I also learned to never buy something based on promised software updates”

digitalscream · February 2021

Also, another thing I've noticed...until this week, I've genuinely never heard the Kemper sound quite so different to the amp it's profiling. I mean...suddenly, Kemper profiles in YouTube videos are almost unrecognisable in A/B tests against the original amp.

1/2/3/4/5/6 years ago, they were almost indistinguishable.

What's changed? Apart from the product which was being promoted, of course.

FarleyUK · February 2021

I'm kinda relieved to see Neural are still acting in a pretty dickish and unprofessional manner. That's a big reason I cancelled my pre-order for this (along with the lack of feedback, questionable 'reviews', lack of transparency, lack of answers to major questions, major 'promised' functions and modules missing on launch, CEO acting in a completely unprofessional manner towards people on TGP etc.).

Just seems like you're setting yourself up for a fall if you jump on the bandwagon right at the start with this. Give it a year or two, and it'll either be amazing, or there will be much better products available (and who's not to say the FM3 / Kemper / Helix isn't going to be 'better' than the QC anyway...?).

fretmeister · February 2021

Nathan Navarro demo

I think I want one.

fretmeister · February 2021

I'm not fussed about delay in Patch changes - that seems to be unavoidable without adding another core just for patch changes and that means more money.

But the Scenes changes need to be as fast as Helix Snapshot changes otherwise it's not a live tool for me.

Jetfire · February 2021

fretmeister said:

I'm not fussed about delay in Patch changes - that seems to be unavoidable without adding another core just for patch changes and that means more money.

But the Scenes changes need to be as fast as Helix Snapshot changes otherwise it's not a live tool for me.

The helix has sorted the preset change delay but halves the amount of stuff available. I can see how this would be super handy for some, but as you say, snapshots ftw

smudge_lad · February 2021

Maybe I'm missing something, as I only have an HX Stomp, but surely with the amount of blocks available on each preset/patch, you won't need to change patch mid-song, therefore not needing to worry about the delay? Is anyone really going to use up all available blocks/paths for half a song, and need to change patch for the second half?

JohnCordy · February 2021

@smudge_lad I think they were saying the snapshot transitions weren't seamless, but Neural are saying that's fixed in the firmware now?

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